Boy refuses to wrestle girl, cites religious beliefs

Girls Can't WHAT? Wrestling DesignA high school boy forfeited a tournament match to a girl yesterday, claiming “As a matter of conscience and my faith, I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner.”  This came in the form of a written statement from Joel Northrup in Marion, Iowa.

So much ground to cover here I don’t know where to start…

First of all, he has a right to his beliefs whether any of us agree or disagree with him.  If his beliefs cause him to forfeit the tournament, so what?  It’s his choice. Let him do it and leave him alone.  He has to live with that choice. We don’t.

Most people probably think it’s a noble thing for him to refuse to “fight” a girl.  I have to say I disagree.  When you are in a sport, your opponent is your opponent.  Their size, sex, religion, skin color, sexual orientation, favorite food, home town, parents, economic background or any other factor should not matter.  Period.  This is organized school sports with rules and standards, not some free-for-all street fight.

Joel’s claim is that the sport can be violent. Um’s “wrestling”.  Duh.  Do you think the girls that sign up to wrestle show up dressed for a tea party?  They know how this works.  And guess what?  They train and prepare for it just like the boys do.  What I don’t understand is why it’s ok for boys to fight boys, but not for boys and girls to engage in combat that they are both voluntarily signing up for?  I’m all for teaching boys to respect girls – and yeah, we don’t get enough respect and proper treatment as it is – but we’re talking about sports here.

And if you’re going to go for the “girls are the weaker sex” argument, let me remind you that wrestling is divided into classes based on body-size.  No one has some unfair advantage due to body type.  And in this particular case, the girl whom Joel was scheduled to wrestle has a very impressive record.  She could beat him.  So “fair fight”? Heck yeah!  I want a front row seat!

Now lets put Joel’s belief system aside and look at it in light of any of the other factors mentioned above…

It’s wrestling. And because we don’t have girls wrestling teams at the high school (or any) level, girls are allowed to join boys teams.  Girls know this and boys know this. They know going into this sport these days that they may at some point be wrestling someone of the opposite gender.  And once again I must point out that an opponent is just that – an opponent.  We don’t refer to our opponents as that “girl” or that “Muslim” or that “fill-in-the-blank-with-your-own-brand-of-discrimination”.  When you sign up for sports, you accept that you will play against people from all types of backgrounds, religious beliefs, sexual orientations, sizes and skill levels…

Ah yes – skill level.  This “girl” – Cassy Herkelman of Cedar Falls – is no slouch.  It’s not like she’s wandering into the wrestling ring for the first time.  She’s an experienced athlete and she has the potential to win.  I’ve never seen a team refuse to play a game when their opponent is thought to be weaker and inexperienced.

So – does it have to do with her “girl parts”?

Wrestling is a physical sport. It’s hands-on. If you’re going to wrestle, you my find yourself in some rather awkward positions. If you can’t handle that, then stop wrestling.  That’s part of the sport. It’s no different than a wrestler refusing to take on an opponent of the same gender because of the opponent’s sexual orientation. If you think wrestling (or any sport) is sexual, you may need therapy.

And how would this look if someone refused to wrestle their opponent because of his or her skin color or religious belief or nationality?  It’s silly, no matter which way you look at it. Get in there and play the game.  If you can’t do that because you have certain beliefs, that’s on you.  Bow out and move on.

And now I’m going to go out on a limb here…By allowing boys to back out of competition with girls, what we are doing is reinforcing that girls are not as strong or somehow weaker and not as athletic as boys.  I’m not saying that everyone is on equal footing all the time.  But when it comes to sports, the females who are competing are very, very capable of taking on the challenges with their male counterparts.

They train.

They lift.

They work just as hard.

Let them play!


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  1. Dave on February 18, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    I thought all wrestlers were homosexual.

  2. Dave on February 18, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    If he wrestles and wins, so what, he beat a girl. Now, if he loses……

  3. Dan on February 18, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Boys are not allowed to participate in girls volleyball, so why should girls be allowed to participate in wrestling. Its a guys sport and it should remain that way. If the girls want to wrestle than have “girls wrestling”….period.

  4. gretchen on February 18, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Dan – I’m all for having girls teams. I grew up playing on girls teams, but when they didn’t exist, I tried out for the boys teams and played.

    You are absolutely right that boys should have the same opportunity to play volleyball with the girls if no boys teams exist.

    We girls have Title IX to thank for at least getting the opportunities to play co-ed, but that should also apply to boys wanting to play sports that are only offered for girls.

    The problem with separate teams based on gender is that you probably won’t find enough girls willing to go out for wrestling just as you probably won’t find enough boys to make up a volleyball team. In those instances, co-ed is the best option.

    • Kevin on November 8, 2014 at 9:21 am

      I personally think a young man’s ego would be on the line. He may sight other reasons, such as religion, etc. But really if he were to get taken down and trapped physically by a female, shame would rear its head. I think it would be brave on the part of the young male to go ahead and engage.

  5. Michael McFarland on February 19, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I own 2 martial arts schools and we have men & women spar all the time. But we do not have them ground fight together. It is not a case of men or women being better but more of a case of modesty. When wrestling or ground fighting, there are grabbing of various body parts and we do not feel this is approperate for our students. Most of our female students don’t want to be grabbed or feel that they are being groped in an inapproperate way. Many of our male students feel self conscience about touching certain female body parts. I can not fault them for their decisions on this basis.

  6. Alberich on February 19, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    “And now I’m going to go out on a limb here…By allowing boys to back out of competition with girls…”

    Um, ALLOWING them to back out? What are you proposing, that we FORCE boys to compete when they don’t want to? How would you do that? “If you don’t compete, you will be whipped/grounded/have your XBox taken away”? Get real!

  7. gretchen on February 20, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    @Michael – you pose a good question and yes, if they are uncomfortable, then they shouldn’t have to participate. However, where do you draw the line with same sex matches where one person is gay? I would think, as a wrestler, you would have to mentally take gender/sexual orientation out of the equation. I realize that’s not an easy thing to do. Everyone has limits and boundaries.

    @Alberich – no, I’m not suggesting we force anyone to do anything against their will. What I mean by “allowing” is if we make a sport into a co-ed event, then everyone in it should agree to participate in it as a co-ed event – no backing out. If you don’t want a co-ed sport, then help the women fight harder for their own teams. Girls sports are still seriously lacking in funding and support. Lend a hand.

    These two points clearly show the need for additional support for women in sports. If same gender teams are needed, then schools need to be providing them or finding alternative groups outside of the schools to create teams and matches.

    Perhaps if there were girls wrestling teams or all-girl teams for sports like football, you would see more ladies involved in the sport. Perhaps the participation level of girls is currently much smaller because they fear harassment or ridicule or even negative labeling for joining a boys team. I know from experience that playing on a boys team is not the easiest thing to do. Had that been my only option as I got older, I probably would have dropped out to avoid the harassment and name-calling. Fortunately, my school split the teams into boys and girls after my 6th grade year.

    We still have such a long way to go.

  8. I am a man on February 23, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Girls should stick to knitting.

  9. gretchen on February 23, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Dear “I am a man” ,

    I think you have an extra ‘d’ in your fake yahoo email address of


  10. Cameron on February 23, 2011 at 11:12 am

    My issue with what happened is the fact that they allowed the girl to join the wrestling team in the first place. We live in a society that teaches about respect for women; groping them and forcing them to the floor does not fit into that equation. Not only that, but the male wrestlers would be forced to avoid touching the female inappropriately, and the female would therefore have a slight advantage.

    Other problems with co-ed wrestling: Possible intentional sexual harassment, inequality in the wrestlers.

    I believe the author shares my views, but is too blinded by feministic ideals of equality to realize it. To prove my point, I offer a thought experiment. Consider the scenario where the male wrestler is an adult, and the female is prepubescent. Do you (the author) find an issue with that? If you stick to your claims, you should not. After all, wrestling is not sexual!

    In truth, the competition can be exploited for amoral purposes, in my example and in the actual case the author wrote about. While it is obvious that the male who dropped out would not have exploited the situation, the same cannot be said of EVERY male wrestler.

  11. gretchen on February 23, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    You’re missing the part where these girls WANT to participate. They know how it works. They know the risks. It’s an insult to their training and their skill when their opponents refuse to fight them because “they’re a girl”.

    Yes – intentional harassment is an issue. It always will be. It will be that way in any sport, job, or any other activity. They will always be jerks who harass other people.

    And I do not have a problem with an adult wrestling an adolescent if they are both participating in an organized sport in which they are matched within a weight class. As long as both parties agree to the match, then it’s a fair fight. I understand that wrestling is physical. If it becomes sexual, then I don’t know what to say. I don’t see it that way. And if you’re going to make it an issue of sexuality then should we ban homosexuals from participating? Somehow I don’t think that would go over well and how exactly would you go about determining who is and who isn’t attracted to the same sex? And if wrestling is sexual, maybe we shouldn’t be advocating it as a junior high and high school sport.

    My real beef here is that the people who don’t want girls to wrestle boys, aren’t making any effort to build all-girl teams. They’re just complaining that the girls are interfering with their sacred sport.

  12. Jae on February 23, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    I think he should be kicked off the team, or girls shouldn’t be allowed to join sports that are dominated by males. His reason was just an excuse. I can’t wait till the day that people stop taking that history book out of context. “inappropriate touching” is speaking in a sexual manner. Not a monitored team activity. Females don’t think it’s ok for guys to hit them, but they keep trying to box, and wrestle. Either they are equal in every way or they’re not.

  13. jim on February 23, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    This is silly, I wrestled in high school, and I had to wrap my arm around my opponent’s, put my arm between their legs to flip them. If I grabbed a hand full of breast or vagina, it certainly would be sexual, in fact for a 16 or 17 year old boy a good gust of wind is sexual. I have a daughter that is going to college, and if anybody stands in her way I’d knock them down, but if she wanted to participate in a sport where a guy basically feels her up; I’d have a problem with it. Equality does not mean the same, and what a sorry ass world it would be if we were the same.

  14. Jae on February 24, 2011 at 12:27 am

    @ Jim Tough. Then your daughter shouldn’t be allowed on a boys contact sport. I also was on my schools wrestling team so I know about what has to be done. His decision could have cost him a scholarship, or his TEAM a championship. What if there is another girl, and another. If a girl wants to wrestle with the boys, then they can, and should get pinned like the boys. If she plays football should they not tackle her?

  15. sie_baby on February 27, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Last year at my school i was in choir and a girl was in the bathroom and she was bleeding and i asked her y and she said that she got cut in wrestling and the couch was my teacher and he said that he wouldn’t let a girl join the wrestling or football team and i told him that it was wrong so the next day i gave him a big hug cause he let a girl be on the team and even the boy i like thinks it is a boy and girl sport cause i have beat him before

  16. Dee on February 28, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    The girl wrestler followed the rules, beat her opponents and earned the right to be at the state meet. The boy took a default (which is meant for wrestlers that are injured) then turned in a statement that said he wouldn’t wrestle (which is a forfeit). He lied to the wrestling officials in order to continue in the tournament, albeit in the loser’s bracket. His “convictions” apparently don’t include honesty or respect for authority. He didn’t even stick around the mat to see her hand raised. Now which wrestler has earned your respect?

    Have the male wrestlers that beat her in the next rounds come under public scrutiny? No. Were they no less gentlemen for meeting her on the mat and defeating her? I’d say they were more gentlemanly than the boy who didn’t think she should be there.

    Allowing girls to wrestle adds a sport for women without cutting a boy’s sport. Wrestling would have gone by the wayside if it weren’t for these pioneering female grapplers.

    As for those who want to sexualize wrestling, you are doing no favors for these athletes either male or female. You might want to examine your own thoughts and feelings on this matter, but please don’t project them on the sport.

  17. gretchen on March 1, 2011 at 11:30 am

    What she said ^

    Thanks for the update. :D

  18. Jae on March 2, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Girls have done nothing for any sport but “cheerleading” if a girls wants to wrestle I say go for it. I just feel that the guys shouldn’t take it easy on her, and if she can’t take it then that’s her fault. The guy shouldn’t be put under the knife for it.

  19. gretchen on March 2, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Ummm – no one asked them to go easy on the girls. And who said cheerleading is only for girls?

  20. Jae on March 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    No your history…. Cheerleading use to be a male activity. Females started participating around the 20’s or 30’s

  21. gretchen on March 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    What’s your point? You’ve lost me.

  22. mayzelle on March 29, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    yes girls can wrestling…caues i do at my school…there aint no such thing as girls cant wrestling..yes we canl ladies..the boys are scard the might hurt us but they aint…caues i beat five boys…so what u gotta say now boys…..

  23. Jae on March 29, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    you said, and I quote….”the boys are scard the might hurt us” Now wouldn’t it be fair to say that you might be wining, only because the boys are handling you as if you were another boy? No one is saying girls can’t wrestle. I’m just saying that the boys should treat you like a boy when you are out there, with no backlash.

  24. Micheal Corrison on April 12, 2011 at 2:14 am

    Still, mots boys won’t use 100% of force, which puts them at a major disadvantage. I’m sorry, but most female wrestlers probably DON’T earn most of their wins, because the boy was afraid of criticism if he tried 100%, or of touching her inappropriately. Should boys go 100% and try and win as they would against another boy? Should they use full physical force to try and win?
    I just read of a 12 year girl prodigy in tennis playing against high school boys- would it be fair for them to blast it directly at her, as they would against anyone trying to win? Or let themselves lose?

    I also read an article where a boy dropped out of a wrestling tournament because his opponent was a girl, and he didn’t want to risk touching her inappropriately.
    Boys would go easy on girls, so they’d have an unfair advantage.
    What’s the difference between a stronger boy on a weaker boy, or a stronger girl against a weaker girl?

  25. Jae on April 12, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    @Michael…. Yes boys should use 100% force, and the boys should blast the ball. If girls think they can play with the boys then why should they not go 100%? It’s a competition. Sorry I don’t care what anyone says. There is no such thing as inappropriate touching when it comes to wrestling. Unless he just craps her vagina, or breast. If girls want to play with boys, then there should be no exception. I can honestly say if a boy refused to go up against a girl in any sport i coach I would kick him off the team asap.

  26. moey on July 12, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    why has no-one talked about the fact of girl being at wrestling in the first place? Anyone possibly considered the psychological impacts of girl within wrestling, especially learning to defend herself from boys from a young age?
    I’m not a psychologist but i can see several issues that may arise out of this dilemma.

    this issue is not just the PHYSICAL aspects of wrestling.

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  28. Tyler on December 19, 2011 at 2:33 am

    This got me a little ticked off. The bible never states that girls are weak and can’t fight so what’s his deal. Honestly if we wanna play let us play and don’t go easy on us. I never want a boy to go easy on me on any sport it makes me so angry. As far as innopropriat touching goes I don’t see a problem unless the boy is grabbing the girls……. Instead of fighting

  29. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 8, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Excuse the language, but it’s complete bull shit that people think Title IX only protects girls trying to play boys sports. And I quote, “No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance…” That means if ANY boy wanted to play a sport but there was no boys team, they have a LEGAL RIGHT to play the girl’s team equivalent and vice versa. Furthermore, since you believe that girls have the same physical abilities as boys, it should be no problem at all.

    As for your argument against Alberich, you said that if we make a sport a co-ed sport into a co-ed event, then everyone should agree to participate in it as a co-ed event and accept that girls will be in it is wrong. Is this case, wrestling was a BOYS team and sport that a girl was ALLOWED on. That does not make it co-ed, that makes it a boys team with a token girl.

    In addition to this, I have a fun fact. If a male wrestler becomes “aroused” whilst wrestling, he is disqualified, no matter what sex, race, nationality, or whatever he is wrestling, no ifs ands or buts. This, I consider, is an extremely unfair advantage to the girls that wrestle.

    (PS, the “Girls are just as good as boys at sports” theory is so flawed I think it’s hilarious. If women were as able as men, wouldn’t world records in sports such as track and swimming be identical for both men and women seeing as they offer the same exact events? Just saying.)

    With that, I conclude my rant.
    Comments and questions anyone? I’ll be waiting to be proved wrong by a logical argument.

  30. Tyler on January 8, 2012 at 7:43 pm


    I do aggree with you that title ix goes for all sexes but I don’t agree that girls aren’t just as good as sports. Have you looked at best gymnast or figure skater their both girls. Also has the best girl ever competed with the best boy at something. If they have have tell me now. Until then I have reason not to believe you

  31. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 8, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    They don’t need to compete together if it’s a sport like swimming or track because both sexes compete in the same exact events, just not against each other. For example, the mens 100m world record is 9.58 seconds set by Usain Bolt while the womens 100m world record is 10.49 set by Florence Griffith-Joyner. Same exact event but the man finishes it almost a whole second faster which, for those that aren’t in track or other racing sports, is a fairly large margin. On a side note, I’m not trying to be sexist, I’m being realistic.

  32. Tyler on January 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I have to disagree with you. I think it would matter if they face each other. They would both probobly work harder cuz in this world let’s face it people are competitive. I also think it would give her a chance. By the way your not being realistic or a boy would be the best gymnast

  33. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 9, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    I’m absolutely 100% positively sure that Olympic track teams have had their top guys and top girls race each other, regardless, the men’s time is faster. Scientific studies have been done on this and have proven that it is physically impossible for the fastest woman to be faster than the fastest man. No matter how much she wants it or how hard she tries, it won’t work.

    The only flaw in that idea is that gymnastics is more of a girls sport. Don’t get me wrong, I used to be a gymnast and I loved doing all the flips and such not, but most boys don’t want to prance around like that. Not to mention that, in the case with me and most of the other guys in my group, gymnastics isn’t worth the trouble. It’s extremely hard work and all the girls think you’re gay. Believe me, I’m fine with being not so popular because of sports since I do track, swim, and volleyball, but most guys aren’t too cool with it. While I’m sure there are specific examples that prove me wrong, this is a generalization about the male sex that is extremely accurate whether you like to believe it or not.

  34. Tyler on January 10, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Scientific studies are theory’s . All scientific studies are called theorys. Theory’s are not scientific fact there’s no such thing as scientific fact since things evolve and we always learn new things. They are finding out knew things everyday and might find out something that has to do with this topic. By the way more boys do those sports ( swimming, track and field etc) too so how come this doesn’t even out

  35. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 10, 2012 at 12:29 am

    If there’s no such thing as a scientific fact then what makes you so sure things evolve?

  36. Tyler on January 10, 2012 at 12:32 am

    What makes you so sure they dont. Plus there’s more ways to evolve than 1 for example we are not cave woman and men anymore. By the way if you wanna go into fact woman are typically more flexible than men

  37. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 10, 2012 at 12:37 am

    First off, you just proved there is such a thing as scientific fact, and secondly, gymnastics is a girls sport because they are more naturally suited for it than boys. Thank you for proving my points.

  38. Tyler on January 10, 2012 at 12:44 am

    I said if you wanted to go into what scientists have said than yes girls can be more flexible. But again there isnt such a thing as scientific fact because we’re only human. We miss things, important things that we might know later on. The human race will never know everything about the body so no their is no scientific fact. It’s like saying every theory is correct. And by the way you didn’t answer my question. Less girls do track than boys so why doesn’t this even out like gymnastics. Also every sport has counterparts so I can’t just say the best gymnast will always be a girl ( and I never did) and you can’t say the best runner will always be a boy

  39. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 10, 2012 at 12:58 am

    “if you wanna go into fact woman are typically more flexible than men” you said FACT, not theory.
    There are differences between theories. Theories are not always correct and can be proven wrong but a fact is a constant that is always correct. To once again prove scientific fact, what makes up a water molecule? One hydrogen atom bonded to two oxygen atoms. FACT, not theory. Also, there are scientific facts about the body. The stomach’s digestive acids are strong enough to dissolve zinc. Fortunately for us, the cells in the stomach lining renew so quickly that the acids don’t have time to dissolve it. There is absolutely no way to refute that statement, making it a fact.

  40. Tyler on January 10, 2012 at 1:09 am

    You can look it up mr there is no such thing as scientific fact. Why because things advance and as technology develops Even you simple statement might not be true. I am actually challenging you to look it up by the way. Also ( I’m gonna keep sayin this till you do so you might as well just answer) you still haven’t answered my question

  41. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 10, 2012 at 8:50 am

    You never asked a question. And i just tried to look up proof of no scientific fact. All I got were two nut job hippies that think scientists are just trying to get you to think what they want you to. Are you one of those kinds of people?

  42. gretchen on January 10, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Facts change. It used to be fact that no one could run a mile in under 4 minutes until Roger Bannister changed that.

    There are about a dozen other threads on this site for various sports and they all have have someone in them arguing that men are *always* better than women.

    But facts change.

    Just because it hasn’t been done yet, doesn’t mean it “can’t” happen.

  43. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 10, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I never said it couldn’t happen. I just said that at the current time, there is no woman that is better than a man in the sports of track and swimming.

  44. Tyler on January 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    You did say that though. You said that scientists have proven that the quickest woman can’t be as quick as the quickest man no matter what. By the way thank you Gretchen. Also mr I did ask a question. I said that there are less woman in track then men and there are less men in gymnastics so what’s wrong with my theory. Why doesn’t it even out. Also I’m not a hippe but obviously you didn’t go to the right site. I found a very good one but I’m sorry because I can’t remember the name.

  45. I thought women wanted equal rights? Supressing men does not equality make. on January 10, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Oh, I’m sorry, you’re a feminist. Much better.

  46. Gregory on January 30, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I would like to stop this huge discussion on scientific facts and theory, and return to the original question (should women wrestle and whether or not the boy has made the right decision.) For most of my life, I was raised in Russia, and according to Russian beliefs. Believe it or not, the part of Russia I came from (the border between Europe and Asia [Ural]) is very “racist” and “sexist” and “stereotypical”. Now that I live in the US, were such a view is frowned upon, by others AND myself, I try to have less of these negative statuses. However, despite my efforts, most of the lessons on “chivalry” were taught to me from a very young age, and even now, when I hope for equality for both sexes, I wouldn’t wrestle a woman, no mater how experienced OR inexperienced she may be. I still don’t hit women, even when they made the first move, and i always hold open the door, etc.
    I would have to agree with “i thought women wanted equal rights”(^). women want to be treated equal? then they have to give up the benefits of being a “lady”.

  47. Tyler on January 31, 2012 at 7:45 am

    @Gregory I do understand most of what your saying. I understand because of the way you were raised all of your life you won’t hit woman. I do. But what I don’t understand is why we have to give away the benefits we have. Just because a girl does something boyish it doesn’t mean she acts completely like a boy. Getting treated equally does not mean let each race fend for themselves it means there needs to be a balance

  48. Gregory on January 31, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    I see where you’re going, and I perfectly agree with you. However,and I in no way wish to start an argument, the boy in the article above was said to refuse to wrestle the girl because of cultural and religious reasons, possibly the same reasons I have just stated. The girl then continued to go on into the championships, and eventually win, which means there are plenty of guys out there who support her, even after she wrestled them to the ground. :)

  49. Tyler on January 31, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    @Gregory I’m so glad you don’t wish to argue with me. Too many people do and they say some very hurtful and uneducational things. It gets annoying since all I do is state my opinion. I like your words much more than others :)

  50. mani on June 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    A healthy woman can & should wrestle with a boy like an ordinary opponent

  51. Richard on May 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    @gretchen it is a fact the world is a sphere, using feminist logic one day the world will change shape to say perhaps a cube?

  52. gretchen on May 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    @Richard – Anything is possible.

  53. Richard on June 29, 2013 at 8:01 am

    ok gretchan can you provide evidence to how this is ‘possible’ ? for example- (it is possible for the world to change shape to a cube). Any established fact has to be backed up with evidence to make to valid, as it will only just remain a theory and not a fact. -Claims asserted without evidence can be dissmissed without evidence. Objective reality is based on facts, the ‘anything is possible’ is just science fiction hookum unless PROVED otherwise. If you don’t have established facts how can you measure or define reality? Facts can change subject to evidence, it is also fair to assume that certain established facts cannot change (and remain even more established as more evidence emerges.

  54. Richard on June 29, 2013 at 10:32 am

    cont.. a case in point, by way of an example: the chances of me surviving jumping of the top of the iffle tower (without safety tech) is very unlikley. This is proved by evidence of people over the years falling from very high buildings (including the twin towers) This tragic ‘fact’ becomes even more established as the years go by. If this obvious fact can change using your mantra of- ‘anything is possible’ I would be quite happy to witness you or anyone else jump of the iffle tower to prove me wrong! And this is were it’s at, the here and now. So as for the argument of some day women could outperform male athleats is irrelavant, as the overwelming proof of men outperforming women (olympic world records) clearly demonstate this ‘reality’. I could argue using the ‘anything is possible’ argument that men could further inrcease their olympic performance margin, while women will remain dormant. But I don’t think you like to hear that as you would quite rightfully point out it is speculation not a [fact].

  55. gretchen on June 29, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Go back and explain the concept of cars or computers to a Neandertal. They will tell you those things are impossible. Things we only dream about now can be possible in the future.

    Evolution is a scientifically proven process and organisms evolve. Could woman eventually evolve to outperform men in sports? Absolutely. In the animal kingdom, the females are usually the strongest and more productive. Humans tend to be an exception to this, but that may be because gender roles assisted in their evolution. No one knows for sure.

    As for your Eiffel tower comment… you must clarify. You could survive the jump. You would not survive the impact. Case in point… there is one survivor who jumped from the Empire State building which is 391 feet higher than the Eiffel tower. When she jumped, the force of the winds that day blew her back into a window on the next floor down and she lived. So you can survive a jump. Impact would be a different story.

    And by the way, whenever I say that someday a woman could outperform a man in sports, it has always been a male who argues with me. So far no woman thinks it’s impossible.

  56. fair rights for girls on December 9, 2013 at 1:29 am

    I agree that girls should be able to wrestle boys we are just as strong as boys.
    I want to have a world where gender,race,colour ect…. dose not disadvantage you.
    We are equals girls rights and boys right. By the way “I am a man” not all girls like knitting boys can knitt 2 this is what I’m talking about saying these types of comments is not fair and not equal. I have very strong oppinons and I’m willing to address and express them.
    Thankyou everyone and pls no sexist comments

  57. CJ on November 30, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    The ACLU is apparently behind this entire push to force boys to wrestle girls. They are routinely sending sharply worded letters to various institutions, harassing them into forcing boys to engage in this perverted behavior.

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