Mommy, What is Hooters?

Yesterday, I loaded up my kids and my dog and headed to the University of Illinois to visit my sister, Ericka. We picked her and her dog, Shep up and went back to the main strip to find a place to eat. Picture four people, a pug and a German Shepherd in a gray mini-van. (That has nothing to do with this post. I just wanted you to get the mental image.) As we drove along tossing out restaurant ideas, Katie pipes up from the back and says “Mommy, what is Hooters?”

After much hysterical laughing, Ericka looks over at me and says “I’m gonna let YOU field that one.” Arg. I’m one of those parents that will just tell it like it is, so I said “Hooters is a restaurant that hires only attractive women with big boobs to serve the food.” I couldn’t see Katie’s face because Shep was in the way, but I’m guessing she was confused at the concept. Then suddenly she said “Oh. Daddy would probably like that.” :o Great, my 10-year-old knows what guys like to see on a woman.

We tried to explain to Katie that we would never eat there and support a place like that and that it was wrong to hire women based on how they look. Katie is very bright, so I am hoping she “gets” what we were trying to teach her. The best thing I can possibly do is to educate her about what it is and explain why it is wrong.

After reading Kelli’s post about self-image, I started thinking about that incident and I started wondering why a place like Hooters is still in existence. It is a reminder that we still have so far to go in educating both men and women. You would think that women would be smart enough to avoid working in a place like that, but I’ve never seen a help wanted sign in the window of a Hooters. And you would think that men these days might have gained a little more respect for women, but the Hooters merchandise has expanded from T-shirts to calendars, hats, golf accessories, playing cards, a DVD and a members only club.

I realize this could start a heated debate over whether Hooters is “okay” or not because I do know that there are women who do eat at Hooters and people who will take their families there for a meal, but I don’t care. To me, a Hooters restaurant is an outrage. No, I haven’t ever stepped foot into a Hooters, but I have seen enough media coverage and commercials to understand the concept. If you need any convincing at all, just Google “Hooters” and start clicking. Some of their MANY, MANY sites are borderline porn.

I’m not blind to the true concept behind “Hooters” and I am sick and tired of having to explain these atrocities to my kids. I’m now paranoid that my developing daughter is going to have a complex over how her “hooters” look and whether she would ever be “good enough” to work at a place like that. She’s already commenting about her weight and agonizing over the occasional pimple. Hooters does nothing but destroy self-image and feed the porn industry. I seriously think we need to start a boycott or something to shut these places down. Who’s with me?

Actually, a boycott probably wouldn’t be effective because people like us who don’t approve are already boycotting Hooters. What needs to happen is educating young men and women to respect themselves and have the sense enough to not support places like these. Spread the word.

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  1. Kel1 March 27th, 2007 10:31 am

    Okay, just a quick pop-in to say…I agree with you about Hooters. It exploits women, no doubt…and some women foolishly support it because they look at it as a “powerful thing” to be able to strut their “stuff” before men. I guess maybe sexual power for them is better than none. :(

    And I also get concerned that girls are so young and worrying about their appearances. My daughter is 7 (you already know that, duh!) and a couple weeks ago she said, “Mom, my legs are fat.” :O I was like, “Are you insane? Have you SEEN your wee little toothpick legs lately?” :))

    I have no clue where that came from, because I have determined in my life to NOT be like my own mother, who constantly commented on how “fat” she was. I have never, and WILL never, say that in front of my kids, so my daughter’s comments shocked me.

    All we can do, I guess, is make sure we are lifting up the positive attributes of women that do NOT have to do with outward appearances.

    Down with Hooters!! (BTW, what would they call a male equivalent of such a place? do they have one? Enquiring minds wanna know. :P )

  2. Paula The Surf Mom March 31st, 2007 3:22 pm

    Last year they opened a Hooter here in the OBX… the way everyone carried on you would have thought we were getting a Disneyland here.

  3. Amy Stephen April 3rd, 2007 6:13 pm

    I read a few articles recently that show women entering science and technology fields are in serious decline. I think these images of what a woman is ‘supposed’ to be are far more damaging than we probably even know. In our attempt to not overreact, we’ve become numb.

    I think my own daughter tries the “super woman” approach to be a hot, intelligent, informed young woman. Is that any better?

    It is good to be healthy and attractive. It is good to be intelligent and goal oriented. It is good to have your own ideas and concepts about what is right and wrong. But, how can you do it all?

    Tough world.

  4. J.C. April 7th, 2007 4:36 pm

    Guess if you don’t like Hooters you have the right to STAY OUT OF IT! My wife and I have enjoyed eating there for years. Sounds to me like we have a lot women not secure with themselves. There is no reason to feel that way. ALL of us look good to someone!!

  5. Kel1 April 7th, 2007 9:47 pm

    J.C.–was it your wife’s idea to eat there in the first place…or yours? ;)

  6. harryb April 13th, 2007 1:48 pm

    They’re everywhere! A few years back I was walking down the street in Vienna, Austria and there it was…Hooters. There’s also one in Arnold’s (as in Terminator) home town of Graz. Check it out
    here. Just scroll down the page til you see the stuff about Vienna.

  7. Swampwitch April 15th, 2007 7:51 am

    What makes eating there even worse than having to look at mostly over-done boob jobs, is eating their over-done, badly prepared food.

  8. Amy Stephen April 15th, 2007 12:57 pm

    “HR’s 1999 World Tour” – Wow! HarryB!

  9. gretchen April 15th, 2007 1:11 pm

    So Harry is admitting he was there at Hooters? Harry! [-x

  10. Julie April 15th, 2007 1:31 pm

    I am right there with you. I am very secure with myself, I just like good food. I am wondering the same thing as Kel1. What would a male version be like and would it be as popular?

    Oh, don’t forget about the Hooters Airline.

  11. Amy Stephen April 15th, 2007 3:10 pm

    Um, no! I just thought Harry visited an impressive number of cool places that year. Plus, he swung by Kansas City, it appears.

    Honestly, I think Hooters is only slightly silly. If you are raising young women, it’s worth reminding them that they are more important than their *fleeting* beauty. But, there will always be a “Hooters.” The body of a woman is beautiful thing, indeed.

    As far as a “male version”…well…I can’t imagine wanting to be served fast food by fit, young men in hot pants and skimpy shirts, but, hey! to each his own, I guess! ;)

  12. Pamela April 15th, 2007 5:15 pm

    it is demeaning to owls, too!!!!

  13. Gem April 15th, 2007 6:32 pm

    I worked in a preschool last year and a single dad brought in his two-year-old daughter wearing a Hooters tank top. Yech! What does that say to her?

  14. CyberCelt April 15th, 2007 7:13 pm

    If we ban Hooters, we must also ban beautiful baby contests, Little Miss pageants, Miss USA contests, etc.

    They are all the same thing. Look at me. Am I not gorgeous? This mindset is why Nicole Smith died alone in a hotel rather than being treated in a hospital.

    Tell your daughter the truth and explain how she deserves so much more. I do not think a ban would work with the people that eat at Hooters or go to t-bars.

    Here from BC carnival.

  15. gretchen April 15th, 2007 10:21 pm

    Wow – some great comments here. Cybercelt – I am all for banning those kinds of events. To me they are absolutely pointless. [-(

  16. Amy Stephen April 16th, 2007 6:09 am

    Slow down there, cowgirl! ;) We can’t be legislating our own morality on the rest of the world!

    I realize you are an INTJ and that is your natural leaning; but, as an ENFP, I insist we allow the democratic process to be our guide. Instead, let us continue to influence those who have not been so enlightened to see things our way. But, we must stop short of a ban! Or, a book burning, or even an organized protest!

    New t-shirt idea: A reformed Hooter Girl. Now – get busy! :)

  17. Amy Stephen April 16th, 2007 6:29 am

    I agree! Well, I do think we ought to arrest the father Gem was referring to who dressed his preschool daughter in a Hooters t-shirt. Clearly, we can legislate that degree of morality! Or, better yet, a vigilante mob of other fathers could take him out back and *clears throat* have a talk with him.

    Now, regarding the t-shirt…can’t help there. I am only the idea person, I lack any artistic ability!

  18. Amy Stephen April 16th, 2007 6:46 am

    Gretchen – this is why an INTJ and an ENFP make good partners (in crime.) An ENFP is “The Inspirer”, not the “World Dominator” – but we are after the same things.

    We do not have to sell Hooters “as a bad thing” to these fathers. We only need to start a “whisper campaign” that Father A (shall we call him) outfitted his presumably younger than five-year old daughter in a Hooters t-shirt and sent the little darling off to pre-school.

    Then, jump back!

    Yes, just add the ex-Hooters girl to the list. I agree it falls somewhere behind a Pirate on the priority list. ;)

  19. gretchen April 16th, 2007 6:17 am

    Yeah yeah yeah – you touchy-feely types wouldn’t want me to do that, would you? I guess for me those pageant competitions are the equivalent of small-talk. :-& I’d rather read a book on brain types or intuition than sit through one of those. :-b

    I suppose I’ll let you keep your entertainment. Now how do you propose I design an ex-hooters girl?

  20. gretchen April 16th, 2007 6:40 am

    First, you’re gonna have to help me find the “other fathers”. So far I have yet to find a guy who thinks Hooters is a bad thing. My own husband is like “what’s wrong with Hooters?” b-( However, he wouldn’t want his own daughters working there. (And for the record he has never been to one.) It’s that good old double standard of “it’s ok as long as it’s no one I know”. 8-|

    Still stumped on the shirt design. I guess I’ll go finish the astronaut and the pirate which has suddenly become a popular request. :-?

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  22. Amy Stephen April 16th, 2007 7:55 am

    I agree, Jennifer, I had the same reaction when I ate there. Big deal! Truthfully, your comment is most effective for reducing the impact of a Hooters because it reduces the appeal.

    Now, if that message really starts to sweep the nation, who knows? Maybe they’d be inclined to reduce the wardrobe further?

    But, it is just not something that is going to go away. Since the beginning of time (yes, Gretchen, I *was* there), men (by and large) have enjoyed looking at attractive women. That is a good thing!

    In a capitalistic society, we are going to have some of that for sale. No big deal, IMO. I just want my daughter to understand her options and find and utilize her gifts to build a happy and fulfilling life for herself.

  23. gretchen April 16th, 2007 7:02 am

    Amy – great advice – but I don’t know how to whisper. :-?? I was never good at doing things quietly. That’s probably why I became a drummer. ;)

    And how did you end up being a P instead of a J? Are you sure you’re not a J? Oh wait – because if you were an ENFJ you would be an “Artisan” and you just said you were not the creative type.
    #-o Nevermind – figured that one out for myself. *-:)

  24. Amy Stephen April 16th, 2007 8:39 am

    Agreed! (We will save the women looking at a good looking man for another discussion since we tend to be turned on by different things. Oh, the human species!)

    LOVED this, Gretchen, thanks so much for providing this wonderful avenue for women to discuss women’s issues! Thanks to all for your thought-provoking comments!

  25. Jennifer April 16th, 2007 7:41 am

    I thought Hooters would be a tackier place until I actually ate at one. Then I didn’t see what the big deal was. I see girls walking around with less clothes on at one of the college campuses in town.

  26. gretchen April 16th, 2007 8:21 am

    I would concede to that, Amy. There is nothing wrong with looking good and men enjoying that just much as we women enjoy looking at a good-looking guy. ;) As long as women aren’t putting all of their eggs in the beauty basket. Beauty is only skin deep. Real beauty is found in the soul – that’s why we have to look deep inside to find it. ;;)

  27. gretchen April 16th, 2007 8:53 am

    Thanks for yours, too. :)

  28. vetgirl April 16th, 2007 2:07 pm

    I think Judge Judy said it best with, “Beauty fades. Dumb is forever!”

  29. gretchen April 16th, 2007 2:09 pm

    I hadn’t heard that one before… =))

  30. Lulu McLu May 4th, 2007 9:21 am

    you are pathetic! if a girl wants to work in hooters, then that is upto her. Im sure she knows exactly what she’s doing. Plus if you’re attrtactive, make the most of it. It’s the ugly people who are jealous that make these sorts of comments. How is it explitation if a lady chooses to work somewhere like this. Yes it’s sad that people have complexes about the way they look, but why not blame the stick thin celebrities who young girls idolise? For years ladies have been making the most of their looks and there assets, and quite frankly, I dont think that it hurts anyone. If you don’t like it then dont go there to eat!simple!

  31. gretchen May 4th, 2007 10:21 am

    “It™s the ugly people who are jealous that make these sorts of comments.”

    I beg to differ. I am not ugly at all. I don’t say that arrogantly either. My point in writing this article is that we have a warped sense of self-image. Young girls are easily swayed by what they see in the media and the world around them. And frankly, that world is telling them to be extremely thin, have big boobs, the perfect smile, flawless skin, great hair, etc. We have lost sight of being real and being ourselves. Most of what we see in the media is airbrushed and computerized, making that “perfect image” even more unattainable. For proof of this, check out these two articles:
    Nichole Nordeman Comes Clean
    No Wonder Our Perception of Beauty is so Distorted

    I don’t think jealousy plays a very big role here, either. I am not jealous of anyone who works at Hooters. If they choose to do that, then it is their business. If I wanted to work at Hooters, I have no doubt I could land a job there. But the thought of going to work where the men are undressing you in their minds while you take their order makes me sick. men are already thinking that anyway, so why wave the goods in their face and knowingly tease them?

    What I don’t like is explaining to my kids that men go there to eat because they want to ogle other women. That to me is stupid. If the roles were reversed and it were women going to a restaraunt to see some young, sculpted males, I would still have a problem with that. I would feel uncomfortable with that. To me it is like cheating on your spouse even if you are “only looking”. You are just putting thoughts into your head that don’t need to be there.

    I am NOT saying that admiring the human body is wrong in any way. But places like Hooters exploit that with all of their other propaganda like calendars and videos. Guys aren’t watching those videos because they want to see pictures of the Hot Wings. ;)

    To me, it all boils down to this: What do you want to be remembered for? Your looks or what you contributed to the world. I think you know my answer. :)>-

  32. Lulu McLu May 5th, 2007 6:13 pm

    Im not saying that you are jealous of the particular girls that work in Hooters, but maybe the fact that you’re banging on about this so much suggests that you have insecurities on some level.

    At the end of the day, you cannot stop a man, or even a woman’s eyes from roaming; whether it is in somewhere like Hooters, in a club, or just on the street. A good looking person will attract attention and admirers where ever they are and however they’re dressed.

    If my boyfriend wanted to go out to Hooters or even to a strip club, then I do not have a problem with it. I am secure enough in myself and our relationship to know that he thinks nothing of the girls and that he will always be coming home to me.

    If hooters want to produce calendars etc then so what? dont buy one! or you concerned your partner will? plus, is it worth ranting about the stuff hooters produce when you can just as easily access hard core porn.

    And if you’re concerned about explaining it to your children then dont be. there are worse things to worry about and they should know that this world is not a nice place anyway. but at the end of that day, girls go into these jobs with their eyes open and know exactly what to expect.

    I agree that this whole concept of beauty has been distorted, and I blame the celebrity culture which today’s society has become so obsessed with. But if a lady wants to accentuate what she’s got then whats wrong with it? A push up bra, little dental surgery, or even the odd facial never did anyone any harm. Plus, I have found that people tend to warm to more attractive people. I read an article a while ago concerning employment and it revealed that people who were thinner and made an effort with their appearance got further: ugly and overweight people are often perceived as lazy and lacking in motivation.

    Yes, it would always be nice to be remembered for what you contributed to the world, but what’s wrong for being attractive too? Not wanting to be arogant either, but I am not ugly, and I do attract a fair amount of male attention, but that is not because of the way I dress or act. I am also at law school, training to be a solicitor. I also volunteer at an advice centre which provides free legal advice to those who cannot afford it. So there you go, I can make my impact and look good while doing it. So what impact have you made?

  33. Amy Stephen May 5th, 2007 6:27 pm

    …the fact that you™re banging on about this so much suggests that you have insecurities on some level.

    Don’t feed the trolls. ;)

  34. gretchen May 5th, 2007 7:22 pm

    Darn it Amy, don’t spoil my fun. ;)

    If we are all honest here, we would agree that no woman wants to be treated as a sex object.
    Any woman who DOES want to be treated as a sex object is obviously the one with insecurities.

  35. Amy Stephen May 5th, 2007 7:44 pm

    What exactly *is* a sex object, BTW? Just a vessel to use for sexual gratification? Because, if that’s the definition, there are very few women *or* men interested in that. Silliness!

    Carry on, then, I’ll step aside. ;)

    Wait – one more question – how can a little dental surgery make me more attractive?

    One more question, then I promise to hush. Who *doesn’t* have insecurities?

    OK. Now. Get on after it!

  36. gretchen May 5th, 2007 7:51 pm

    sex object – a person viewed as being of little interest or merit beyond the potential for providing sexual gratification. :)>-

  37. Amy Stephen May 5th, 2007 7:53 pm

    Yea, no one wants that. Even the really sexy people. ;)

  38. Lulu McLu May 6th, 2007 1:04 pm

    1. the dental surgery comment was in response to gretchen’s comment about having a perfect smile. In my opinion, people who have a bad smile and poor dental hygeine are vile, and I think it says a lot about them.
    2. I dont see how working in hooters makes you a sex object. are you confused with prostitutes? they are what I would call sex objects.
    3. To work somewhere like hooters takes a lot a bravery and self confidence as you are put in a position where you are judged on your appearance. Thus any insecurities they do have cannot relate to their appearance. It is the people who ARE insecure about the way that they look who criticise these girls. The way i see it is that, people who criticise and bitch do it either out of hatred or jealousy. Now how can you hate someone you dont know? so now ask yourself: are you jealous?

  39. Amy Stephen May 6th, 2007 2:23 pm

    Sometimes, I am jealous.

  40. Lulu McLu May 6th, 2007 3:19 pm

    Well, I think it’s great that you can admit that. But you dont have to settle for it. Make the most of what you got, think positive and then you wont ever have to be jealous. Everyone has the potential to be a stunner!

  41. Amy Stephen May 6th, 2007 3:20 pm

    Well, I’m not always jealous! ;)

  42. Kel1 May 6th, 2007 11:24 pm

    Wow, oh, wow…where to begin? First of all, I am just sitting here laughing at the pathetic psychoanalysis going on here. I mean, to end each post with a “poke you in the eye” sort of comment says to me that somebody has nothing better to do with their time than to try and hack people off.

    Or am I now making psychoanalytic judgements upon YOU? Hmmm…well, then maybe I have evened up the score a little. ;)

    So far, no one has been insulting the women who work at Hooters as much as we have insulted the culture which approves of such things. Women shouldn’t be made to feel like they NEED to parade around in tiny shorts and a too-tight top serving hot wings to make them feel like they are of value. Every day, women demean themselves without even knowing it.

    The problem is, folks, if beauty fades, then what you make of your life should not be based on your looks. Even Anna Nicole Smith should be a real eye-opener for us by showing how the pursuit of having the perfect smile and perfect breasts and perfect EVERYTHING will NOT make you fulfilled or happy with yourself. When are we going to wake up??

    Lulu is correct, however, when she says that we can oogle people ANYWHERE. However, does that make it a “good” thing?

    And do we really believe that it is a “good” thing for our husbands or partners to go out and lust after other women? Is that what we really WANT or do we accept it because we don’t expect anything BETTER from them? There are men who can be faithful. There are men who are trying to be faithful. If these men want to go into Hooters or strip clubs or the local grocery store and oogle women, then that’s their choice. But to ENCOURAGE it??

    I don’t think so.

  43. Amy Stephen May 6th, 2007 11:33 pm

    Hi Kel. Hows tricks? hehehe… couldn’t resist.

  44. gretchen May 6th, 2007 11:38 pm

    K – just wanted to throw in here that I have perfect teeth. My dad was a dentist! :d

  45. Amy Stephen May 6th, 2007 11:41 pm

    Now, I’m jealous.

  46. Kel1 May 6th, 2007 11:44 pm

    Shall we compare a filling count, G? ;) Let’s not go the way of dental records. :)) (But I’ll just say I’ve only got one. ;) ) Never needed braces, either. *cough*

    And if ANYONE starts comparing chest sizes and talking about who could get hired at Hooters, I am SO out of here. =))

  47. gretchen May 6th, 2007 11:46 pm

    No braces here either. ;)

    Uh yeah… no bra size comparisons. TMI. /:)

  48. Amy Stephen May 7th, 2007 12:11 am

    No age comparisons, either. Or measures of raw intellect. While we are at it, let’s just avoid comparisons.

    How about this – let’s do a group hug. Come on, Lulu, get in here and get some of this, too!

    All the best,
    Amy :)

  49. Kel1 May 7th, 2007 2:29 am

    Hi Amy! :)

    Uh oh…you’re one of those “group hug” types of people, huh? :P

    A little bit of banter never hurt anyone. I don’t hug trolls. :D

    Have a nice day, everyone! :))

  50. Lulu McLu May 7th, 2007 6:11 am

    In resonse to Kel1: not all women feel like they need to parade round half naked to get approval. They do it to exploit the sex crazed society we live in. Lets face it, sex sells and you can see it in the majority of advertisements you see. Girls are just using the opportunity to make a little extra money with their looks. I do not believe that in any way they are seeking men’s approval.

    And, I agree with you that men can be faithful. I have been with my boyfriend for 4 years and I know he would not even look at another woman in that way. My parents have been together for over 30 years and are as in love as ever.

    At the end of the day, if a man wants to cheat, then he will, and places like hooters and strip clubs do not ncessarily add to the temptation nor encourage it. In my opinion, they’re just places where people can go and have a laugh with their friends – thats men and women.

  51. Kel1 May 7th, 2007 3:00 pm

    Lulu, I see your point regarding exploitation as well as your point regarding “adding to temptation.”

    However, I think we will have to just respectfully disagree. I could say more, but nothing I can say will change your view any more than your opinion will change mine. :)

    It’s been a good discussion, though. ;)

  52. Precious May 7th, 2007 4:04 pm

    I actually don’t think that Hooters girls work at Hooters because they want attention from men. I think that they do it for the simple fact of money. If they know that they have the type of body that men like, that equals more tips. Working at a normal restaurant on a Saturday night can bring you about $100- $200, so working at Hooters probablly brings in more. I would even consider doing it, I’m a college student, and money is kind of tight. I couldn’t do it because I would hate knowing that strange men were staring at me. So I look at it more like, the Hooters girls are using the men for their money.

  53. Lulu McLu May 7th, 2007 4:28 pm

    precious, you are the first person on this website that is making any sense.

  54. Amy Stephen May 7th, 2007 4:34 pm

    Sometimes, I make sense. :)

  55. Kel1 May 7th, 2007 8:17 pm

    I am sense personified. LOL

    Okay, so…the girls who are strippers don’t do it for attention from men, either…they do it for the money.

    Gretchen, apparently these ladies like Lulu here think you should be making shirts with Hooters girls and strippers on them. Girl power????!!

    Am I in the friggin’ twilight zone here? :))

  56. Lulu McLu May 8th, 2007 8:18 am

    its funny you should say that. I only found this website looking for a Hooters tshirt!

  57. Amy Stephen May 8th, 2007 9:03 am

    lol, Lulu! Well, WordPress’s SEO techniques are unparalleled. Your comment certainly helps prove that! All the best, Lulu…Amy :)

  58. Kel1 May 8th, 2007 1:25 pm

    OMG!! =))

  59. gretchen May 9th, 2007 11:31 pm

    Ok – so Kel and I went up to Champaign last night to check out a recording studio for our band. Afterwards, we went looking for a place to eat and I suggested Hooters. Kel said “Are you crazy?”

    Hey, I tried. :-??

  60. Amy Stephen May 9th, 2007 11:35 pm

    If you have *not* been there, then you *should* go! Otherwise, it’s really difficult to have much of an opinion on this. I found it perfectly benign. Kel – go. Give it a try. Then, you guys report back!

  61. Kel1 May 10th, 2007 12:34 am

    Since I already know what they’re about, I don’t believe I need to go. I believe my argument with Gretchen was, “So this means I can’t say that I think cocaine is bad unless I’ve TRIED it?” :))

    You mean I can’t think prostitution is bad unless I’ve TRIED it?? Or several nights of casual…you get my point.

    Gee, lemme just run right out and try those things so I can “have an opinion” about them. ;)

  62. Amy Stephen May 10th, 2007 6:20 am

    Eek. Bad comparisons, girls! Cocaine and prostitution are against the law. Wearing a tank top and short shorts – like *most* girls that age wear – is not. :)

  63. Kel1 May 10th, 2007 1:36 pm

    Prostitution’s not against the law in Vegas, baby. :))

    Casual sex is also legal. However, it is rarely beneficial.

    I just don’t think Hooters is beneficial at all. Can you honestly tell me that people would go there if the girls dressed like every other waitress? It’s a marketing ploy…so people will be curious and want to go and “see” what the girls look like in their hot pants and tight shirts.

    I’m guessing it’s the hot pants that gets them there more than the hot wings. ;)

  64. Kel1 May 10th, 2007 1:37 pm

    Just to clarify, I don’t think casual sex is beneficial either. I should have said it is NOT beneficial. :D

  65. gretchen May 11th, 2007 7:24 am

    Just wanted to note that when I checked my statistics this morning I found that someone landed on this page by searching for “amy hooters”. :d

  66. Kel1 May 11th, 2007 12:25 pm

    For a second there, I thought you said “army hooters.” :O LOL

  67. Amy Stephen May 11th, 2007 4:36 pm

    “Amy Hooters?” lol!

    Girls – this summer, I want the two of you to eat lunch at Hooters. Or, Gretchen, when you come to Nebraska, we will do that together. When you go, you will see it’s not nearly as bad as you think.

  68. gretchen May 11th, 2007 4:52 pm

    Hmm… :-? “Gretchen Goes to Nebraska” Wasn’t that the title of a King’s X album? b-)

  69. Kel1 May 11th, 2007 5:08 pm

    Why, yes, it was. :P I think I actually own that album.

    I’m not spending my money at that restaurant. Nor will I go there if someone else pays my way. I even spoke to my aunt about this today (who has some rather different views from mine most of the time, just so you know) and she said she’ll never step foot in a Hooters because of how they objectify women.

    For me to even GO to that place, knowing how I disagree with what they are doing, would be a betrayal of my own values.

    Frankly, I’m starting to feel like one of those women who is continually pressured to booze it up, too, just because everyone says she should at least TRY it and see if she likes it. I don’t really get it, never have. Why do I have to try something I already know I disagree with? Sorry, but I’m a little tired of the pressure. I’m sure you have the best of intentions, Amy, but it’s starting to bother me a bit. ;)

  70. Jennifer May 22nd, 2007 5:47 pm

    I work at Hooters and I love it. I work here because the money is great and it’s paying my way through college. Some girls don’t have rich parents to pay their way through school so they have to WORK. It seems all the jobs outside of Hooters only offered me between $6-$10 per hour since I don’t have a degree yet. I have made up to $300 per night (on game nights) working at Hooters. To be honest, I don’t have very large breasts and I’ve shown more skin on a beach than I do in my Hooters uniform. This is not where I plan to stay the rest of my life. I need the money plain and simple and if the men that dine there are willing to tip me because they think I look good then all the better for me, right? There’s a lot worse places I could be working.

    Just my opinion :)

    ~Jen

  71. gretchen May 22nd, 2007 6:25 pm

    Jen – thank you for your comments. I just want to clarify at this point in the thread that I am not opposed to any girl that works there nor do I look down on them. I think it’s great that you are getting paid well and that you are using that money to further your education. My main beef is that we women can’t seem to make a decent living by doing productive things and being valued for the skills and talents we possess. There is nothing wrong with being paid because you look good (where’s MY check? /:) ) or for being a waitress, but I am willing to bet that if you are a college student then you have a lot more to offer than waiting tables. Where are the jobs that pay you for your true talents and why are the women who find those types of jobs being paid less than men? :-?

  72. Mike June 24th, 2007 7:57 am

    First, a story…I was driving home with my 11 y.o. daughter from my parents house, and was looking for a place to stop for lunch. I saw a sign for Hooters, and mentioned that’s where we should eat lunch. My 11 y.o. daughter says matter of factly “We can’t eat there, Mom wouldn’t like it”.

    The fact is…my wife has eaten at Hooters on several occasions, but it was always my suggestion to eat there.

    Personally…I like the food, the constant sports on the TV monitors…and to occassionally watch a pretty girl walk across the store. True, the original creators of Hooters Resturants…all men…had the idea of watching sports, drinking beer, and being served by pretty women. Most guys 18-25 years of age idea of utopia. These businessmen are obviously millionaires now since the inception of the business in 1971. (The first stores didn’t open until 1983.)

    Hooters has in recent years tried to clean up their act. But boycotting Hooters is like trying to shutdown Playboy Enterprises. Hugh…like the Hooters business men knew the simple fact that men like to oogle at pretty women…and have become rich based on this premise. The fact that women don’t get paid as well as men based on the same work is a whole different can of worms.

    Would I want my daughters to work at a Hooters? Sure. Would their mother? Sure. We both know that there’s a lot worse ways to make a living.

    One final note…they don’t hire only pretty women…they hire ONLY women as waitresses. There are NO positions for Male waiters. Any male that works in a Hooters is not waiting the tables. Also…you are required to be a 36DD to work there.

  73. Mike June 24th, 2007 3:30 pm

    Oops, are NOT required to be 36DD.

    Another thought in this process. The original purpose for women to be cheerleaders was not for team spirit. It was to distract the other team’s players…thus the short skirts and tight fitting clothes. Are we to ban cheerleading as well???

  74. gretchen June 24th, 2007 10:34 pm

    Mike – interesting information. Don’t get me started on cheerleading. I am not opposed to it, but I think there needs to be some higher standards. Cheerleading, in my opinion, has lost it’s edge. There is a lot of skill involved from cheerleaders that actually engage in competition – and that’s great. I have a problem when the girls are there for show and don’t show any athletic skill whatsoever outside of shaking their pomp poms…and other things. /:)

  75. RottenApple June 25th, 2007 6:15 am

    Just a thought…the tight clothes that the “Hooters Girl” wears is no more exploiting to women than cheerleading outfits. The original concept of cheerleading was NOT for team spirit, but a form of distraction for the visiting team’s players. If you can get the other team’s boys to look at your girls…then obviously they cannot play effectively. Should we boycott cheerleading as well? The fact that you have to explain anything to your girls is the whole concept of parenting. I have 3 girls…18, 14, and 11. I’ve explained the same misceptions to them that you’ve instilled in your girls. Hooter’s is not the problem. The problem is that most men like to look at a pretty woman. Let’s boycott society!

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  77. neil D July 1st, 2007 2:15 pm

    Wow. It is hard to believe that so many people are still debating a restaurant concept that has over 450 units throughout the world and has been open for almost a quarter of a century! Gretchen: shame on you for being so untruthful to your young daughter. Having a child does not give one the right to “brainwash”them into their way of thinking and attempt to mold them into their own little clones. God forbid if she ever grows up and does something that YOU don’t approve of….No, Hooters does not only hire “…attractive women with big boobs…” how you could say such a thing without ever setting foot into one of these restaurants shows your narrow minded approach to issues and your lack of study and preperation before offering such an ridiculous opinion. Like it or not, the restaurant concept is thriving and many, many women choose to patronize the restaurants with or without males counterparts. Sorry, that you don’t like that, but the is just the way life goes. Most humans don’t agree with your opinion and it won’t be long before your young daughter grows up and does things that you don’t agree with…Here is a little suggestion…try to be more open minded and less judgemental….your opinions may then be a little more respected

  78. kel1 July 2nd, 2007 12:37 am

    “Wow. It is hard to believe that so many people are still debating a restaurant concept that has over 450 units throughout the world and has been open for almost a quarter of a century!”
    Well, golly gee, it’s hard to believe that legalized abortion and gambling and smoking (and the list goes on) are still being debated after being legal for SO many years! But they are. ;)

    “Having a child does not give one the right to “brainwash”them into their way of thinking and attempt to mold them into their own little clones.”
    Hmm…no, I guess that would be more the job of the federal government and the public school system, then. Right? :))

    “Like it or not, the restaurant concept is thriving and many, many women choose to patronize the restaurants with or without males counterparts. Sorry, that you don™t like that, but the is just the way life goes.”
    And I’m sure that you accept all things you don’t agree with without a second thought. Those who object to this restaurant have just as much a right to their opinions as you have to yours.

    “Most humans don™t agree with your opinion”
    Really? Wow, thanks for saving us the trouble of surveying “most humans” on this subject!

    “and it won™t be long before your young daughter grows up and does things that you don™t agree with¦”
    I’m sure she will, as all children do. It’s part of being your own person. But we all have a right to teach our children our values. Whether they choose to accept or reject those values is a decision they will have to make for themselves when they are mature enough to do so.

    “Here is a little suggestion¦try to be more open minded and less judgemental¦.your opinions may then be a little more respected”
    Don’t ya just LOVE how people with their own opposing opinions seem to think that THEY are the only ones who are open minded? :P Funny how that works. ;)

  79. neil D July 2nd, 2007 8:11 am

    Gretchen; i certainly hit a soft spot. Yes debate on many subjects continues and that is why we live in a wonderful country. We don’t have to agree with each other to respect each other. I was first pointing out the absurdity of your incorect comments to your young, and i am sure, impressionable daughter. If u were ever in one of these places, you would know that not all female employees have (as you say)”big boobs” Simply not true. Certainly, we, as parents, all have a responsibility to teach our children many things about life and society. i just don’t think we should “force feed” our own slanted opinions. Obviously, i agree we shouldn’t leave it to the government, but i do think children are to learn in schools…hopefully, in an objective way. Like it or not, most children do learn something in schools. Those who are home schooled, are generally sheltered from society and often(not always) struggle adjusting to society in adulthood. I agree 100% with your comment that “whether they choose to accept or reject those values is a decision they will have to make for themselves when they are mature enough to do so.” I am not the only one that is open minded. It just seemed that you weren’t on this subject as u were stating things to your daughter that were incorrect factually as a result of never having been in one of those restaurants. As intelligent as you seem, it seems inconsistent to have such feelings on a place that you have never been inside and thus your improper characterization of a place. surely you are smart enough to gain more knowledge on a place or situation before expressing such strong opinions?

  80. kel1 July 2nd, 2007 1:28 pm

    Neil, it wasn’t Gretchen who answered you…it was me. ;)
    All one has to do to see what Hooters is like is to go to their website. And we’ve already had this argument with others previous to your posting (some of which were guys saying they of course “like to look at pretty girls”, so I guess we know they aren’t just going for the Hot Wings ;) ).
    We do not have to “experience” something in order to say we disagree with it. If that were the case, there are a lot of things I would have to “experience” in order to speak out against. I don’t have to participate in those activities in order to know that I do not agree with the principles (or lack thereof) on which they are founded.

    And I am well aware that there are good public schools in this society…a dying breed, unfortunately. I have a BA in elementary education, and I do know what is taught in schools and the methods by which they are taught, as I spent years of my life learning those methods (and disagreeing with many). I am now a homeschooling mom. And you have made the very incorrect assumption that homeschooled children are sheltered from society and struggle to adjust to adulthood. This is utterly and completely false. You can read many articles like this one: http://school.familyeducation.com/home-schooling/educational-testing/41081.html and know that homeschoolers are doing a great job at educating their children. They go to college, they have outside jobs, they volunteer in their communities…on the whole, they become very productive citizens.

    I will say, however, that if a parent is a POOR homeschooler, not sticking to their commitment to a daily education and not enrolling his/her child in other outside activities and opportunities, then that child is at a disadvantage.
    This, however, is certainly NOT the majority. All sorts of parents from all religious and nonreligious backgrounds choose to homeschool for various reasons.
    The bottom line is, I am my child’s parent. I have the right to decide how my child is educated about the world and about society. I refuse to leave it to society to rear my own children, as they were entrusted to me. The problem we find in many public schools (and private, as well) is that many parents are not involved. Therefore, the key to a child’s proper and beneficial education (be it public, private, or homeschool) is PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.
    Gretchen, by speaking openly to her daughter about this particular issue, is being an involved mom. And she has every right to pass on her own values and judgements to her children. No child is a carbon copy of his/her parent, nor are they “brainwashed” by their parents. It’s our JOB to teach our children our values and to help make them into respectable young men and women.

    I don’t feel that Gretchen has taught anything “absurd” to her daughter by expressing her opinion about the restaurant and the reason why they’re so popular.
    And btw, I am not closed-minded. I simply know my beliefs and opinions and I’m not afraid to express them.

  81. neil D July 3rd, 2007 8:33 am

    Kel 1 : Thanks for correcting me regarding who was responding to my prior posts. I, too, have an undergraduate degree in education, teaching in both public and private schools, before attending law school. My “absurdity” comment to Gretchen was more directed at the statement she made where she stated all female employees “..have big boobs”. Simply false, therefore, i thought it was absurd that she would make such an untrue comment to her young, impressionable daughter. My mistake, i can tell that the two of you have established your opinions (which you certainly have the right to do, as we all do)irrespective of whether they are based on facts. Nevertheless, i respect your right to free thinking, even if i believe it is flawed thinking. Trust me, i am not trying to change your minds (clearly an impossible feat)just trying to encourage you both to be more open-minded. I am neither a Hooters lover or hater. i see Hooters for what it is. It is one of the largest restaurant chains in the country that didn’t even serve hard liquor for the first 23 years of it’s existence. So, clearly, due to it’s longevity and massive customer base, it is here to stay. We all have better things to debate and attempt to change in our society that would do more good for this country, particularly the children. Good comments on home schooling…i agree with many. I stand by my comment that “..home schooled children are GENERALLY sheltered from society…” Obviously, can’t speak for the entire population of home schooled children. Your child, or children, are (i assume) still young…so, the jury is still out, so to speak, on how they will adjust to society, as adults. I can tell you, that after 27 years of working in the criminal justice system, i am encountering many more juveniles and young adults who have serious adjustment issues.More than non-home school children? no, because there aren’t as many home schoolers. Nevertheless, i have seen the number of home schoolers, with serious issues,increasing substantialy over the years. Not enough statistical data to correlate the two…but time will tell. Hopefully, my assumptions, thru observations, are wrong. At least i am willing to acknowledge the possibility that i might be wrong! Certainly, as a former educator and a parent of sucessful, adult children, i concur that parents should “be involved” in their child’s education. However,I have seen many well-meaning parents become over-involved and have really not allowed the child to develop into their own person. I wish you nothing but the best with your life and your children’s education. Having different opinions on subjects is not such a bad thing. I enjoyed the friendly debate. Good luck and God Bless you

  82. gretchen July 5th, 2007 7:18 am

    Neil – thanks for the comments. You make it sound as if Hooters is just a restaurant that happens to have an all-female wait staff. So the name “Hooters” means nothing other than the original owners just liked owls? Let’s be real here. ;)

    I want to clarify that you have one thing right and one thing wrong in your assessment of me. You are right that I am highly intelligent but you are wrong in saying I am not open-minded. I am incredibly open-minded and I have no problems changing my stance on an issue if you can give me a good reason to change it. I am a very logical thinker and I can push past emotion and think with my brain, but so far no one has given me a good reason to give Hooters a thumbs up.

    And while I do believe in giving my kids freedom to make their own choices, I believe that education and values start at home. “Experiencing” activities is not a prerequisite. I do not need to experience drugs, rape or murder to form an opinion that these activities are wrong.

    If I let society raise my children, then my daughter would probably be anorexic by now and wondering why she doesn’t look like Barbie. She is only 10 and we are already starting in with the self-esteem issues brought on by the media. Places like Hooters only contribute to the problem. Hooters projects an image of the way society thinks women *should* look. Young girls will hold that image up as a standard and older women will look at that image and try desperately to hang on to it.

    I have no problems with being healthy and having a vibrant image – I strive for that myself. I work out and do my best to stay in shape and be an example of a “healthy image” to my kids.

    I have a problem with teaching young girls to attain a sexual image and telling them that they are to be looked at in a sexual way while serving meals to customers. Girls will get that kind of attention anyway, so why support a restaurant that blatantly promotes it?

    I am guessing that you do not have daughters. I say that only because I never really cared about places like Hooters until I had two girls and started dealing with these questions. Women’s self-esteem is a never-ending battle. I don’t expect the men to understand it because they struggle less with self-esteem issues than the women do, however, I know a lot of men who feel the same way I do about Hooters and will not support them.

    I don’t think I am in anyway being “absurd” in raising a daughter with healthy self-esteem who doesn’t feel the need to project herself sexually in order to feel good about her image.

  83. Kel1 July 5th, 2007 6:24 pm

    “If I let society raise my children, then my daughter would probably be anorexic by now and wondering why she doesn™t look like Barbie. She is only 10 and we are already starting in with the self-esteem issues brought on by the media. Places like Hooters only contribute to the problem. Hooters projects an image of the way society thinks women *should* look. Young girls will hold that image up as a standard and older women will look at that image and try desperately to hang on to it.”

    Brilliant.

    As usual. :D

  84. Mike July 5th, 2007 10:03 pm

    “Hooters projects an image of the way society thinks women *should* look. Young girls will hold that image up as a standard and older women will look at that image and try desperately to hang on to it.” Just turn on the television…sexual images are everywhere. Not only how the girls should look, but how they should behave, how they should dance, what they should wear in school, etc. (By the way, whoever invented uniforms in school should receive a medal of honor!)

    Hooters requirements for job hire are above all – personality & image. Most of the job hires that I’m aware of are from young women patrons, approached by the other waitresses. I don’t think the other waitresses are necessarily looking at their bra size. Perhaps if a girl feels comfortable enough to eat at Hooters, then they might feel comfortable enough to work in one.
    Also, Hooters as a corporation restricts the displaying of body piercings and tatoos. All in all, they require high standards for the women they hire.

    My biggest question to Gretchen and Kel is this:
    If the name of the joint wasn’t slang for a portion of a woman’s anatomy, would the opinions be the same?

    A final note to an earlier post: In Florida some years ago, someone started a resturant with all men wait staff. They called it “Abs”. The men were basically the Chipendale dancer look-a-likes. They wore tight spandex shorts and no shirt. The company didn’t last a year…primarily because most women like men based on more than just looks, and they went out of business.

  85. neil D July 6th, 2007 8:02 am

    Gretchen: I do have 2 daughters. My oldest, now age 25, worked at a Hooters in Brandon, Florida for 3 years while attending college. She has just graduated from Medical school(May 2007) and has started her residency in gastroenterology at The Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. By the way, she does not (as you refered to your 10 year old) “big boobs”. Nor does she appear to have any “self esteem” issues, but, then again, i am not a psychologist. i just think you are taking the whole Hooters thing a tad bit too serious; but,that is certainly your perogative. We can’t all keep blaming society for all type of individual problems….Life is about personal accountability and choices we each have to make. It really is irrelevant as to whether you support the restaurant…it is already hugely sucessful and has been around for almost a quarter of a century. Our discussion started because i believed you made a false statement to your young daughter….i knew it was false, due to my daughter’s personal experience…that is all…i repsect your right to your thoughts and choices,I just thought i would enlighten you on the facts, since you have admitedly never been to one of the chain’s restaurants and probably never talked to anyone who ever worked there. Good Luck and God Bless.

  86. gretchen July 6th, 2007 1:07 pm

    @Mike – good question. I don’t think that changing the name of the restaurant would have any bearing on my opinion. The expectation has already been established. The name does not help, though. ;)

    @Neil – “big” is a relative term, I suppose. To my 10 year old, most adult women are “big”. Regardless of bra size, however, I do agree that it is ultimately up to the individual to make positive choices and I would 100% agree that self-esteem is a personal issue and not the fault of society.

    Self-esteem is your view of yourself and you cannot look at yourself as society would look at you nor can you hold yourself to their standards. You must set your own standards and create your own positive views about yourself in order to have high self-esteem. I have read countless books on the issue and I know that it boils down to the individual and his or her thought patterns.

    But, I also believe all of that applies to a mature adult. It does not apply to young, impressionable girls who do not always make positive choices or understand things from the same perspective as a mature adult. People are not born with self-esteem. It not a personality characteristic or a “result” of one’s background. It is a learned behavior. Self-esteem can be raised or lowered simply by the thought patterns in your head. Self-esteem can be raised just by re-programming those though patterns. It is not an easy process, but it really is that simple.

    Children are in the learning stages of building their self-esteem. As adults, we are responsible to guide them towards things that build that self-esteem. My purpose in explaining things to my daughter was to show her that she should be valued for who she is and not what she looks like. Hooters is not the only environment that values image over skills. Hooters just happened to be the catalyst that sparked the discussion.

    I am not condemning anyone who eats at Hooters or who may work there, I am just contemplating why these places even need to exist. I go to a restaurant to eat, not to gawk at the wait staff. 8-|

  87. neil D July 6th, 2007 1:30 pm

    Gretchen: Good points. It sounds like we are bascically in agreement, in that i agree with your first three paragraphs. Not all Hooters girls are hired because of the way they look…granted some are and some are not. (Again, first hand family experience). I guess these places exist because that is what people enjoy (at least a good portion of the people–otherwise no success for these places). Clearly they wouldn’t be doing so well, if the ultimate product –food–wasn’t good as there are (unfortunately) many other establishments where people can frequent and see people with little or no clothing. Just like you,I go to restaurants to eat and not gawk.When i do go to Hooters, that is what customers are doing…eating. In fact I went to the one in Clearwater, Florida today and there was a 30 minute wait at 12:15. Since we were having this friendly debate, i counted customers and the sex demograhics of those eating and waiting……87 males and 54 females. i also observed ages of the customers. There were from what appeared to be less than 6 months old in a basenette(sp?) to many senior citizens. So, at least at this location today, it was quite busy with a broad cross-section of our community. I also paid particular attention to the waitstaff which came in all shapes and sizes, as well as several colors (white, asian and black) It seemed just like an everyday, casual restaurant….In any event ( i now am really rambling—-too old, i guesss i get sleepy after eating lunch). I went there on purpose today just to see if i was being objective. My beliefs were confirmed…Ps…at the adjacent table was a birthday party/lunch going on for a family and the little set of twins (girls) appeared to be about age 10-12. All seemed like typical American family members…enough babbling by me. Good Luck and God Bless

  88. gretchen July 7th, 2007 11:54 am

    Girls ages 10-12 should not have their birthday party at Hooters! They should be at the skating rink or a park or having a sleepover. That is not a “typical” American family. [-(

    Hooters is not about food. One needs only to glance at their web site to figure that out.

    /:)

  89. sarah July 7th, 2007 11:11 pm

    i lovvvvvvvvvvveeeeeee hoooooottterrrsss!! they have the best buffalo shrimp. maybe more women should come eat there. its not the hooter girls fault that men go there all the time. theyre outfits arent that provacative. you see more than that at the pool! chill out. maybe girls want to have a fun job and look pretty at the same time.

  90. neil D July 8th, 2007 7:11 am

    Gretchen: i give up..you are way too Judgmental Your comments: “…Girls 10-12 should not have their birthday party at Hooters….That is not a typical “American” family…….Hooters is not about food”, U have NEVER been there. YOU cannot dictate what families choose to do. No one gave you the RIGHT to pass judgement on others. Good luck and God Bless…i am signing off…you really need to rethink your belief that you think you are open minded. (ps. if looks aren’t so important…why do u post your picture with each email?)

  91. gretchen July 8th, 2007 9:07 am

    I have never used drugs or drank alcohol, but I don’t need to try those things to see that they have negative effects, just as I don’t need to “try” Hooters to see that it negatively affects young girls. I fail to see that as being “judgmental”. I see that as being a morally responsible adult.

    Does anyone have standards anymore? The acceptance of Hooters has only contributed to the decline of modesty in our society. You can’t tell me that their web site and media propaganda are a gleaming example of modest dress. Young girls see those web sites, billboards, etc. and see the popularity of places like Hooters and they are given the message that dressing that way and acting like that (all for the attention of men) is ok. I am not opposed to Hooters as a restaurant nor am I against people who work there. I am strongly opposed to the image that they promote and I refuse to support that image for the sake of my children and young girls all over the world who may fall prey to thinking that modesty is overrated.

    I post my photo because I want my readers to see that I am a normal, everyday person who can do extraordinary things and I don’t have to wear tight clothes and short shorts to achieve my dreams. :)

  92. neil D July 8th, 2007 2:35 pm

    Gretchen: my daughter didn’t HAVE to wear the “tight clothes and short shorts to achieve her dreams” and, as i mentioned above,she is already through with medical school and in residency. Loosen up a bit….. No one ever accused my daughter “…of just getting by on her brains” Many of us have standards and morals….you just believe that your standards and morals are better or more correct….Hence, my comments about being to judgemental….Good Luck and God Bless PS i cannot tell by your picture that you are “…a normal everyday person”… (Ted Bundy “looked like a normal everyday person”)that is because one should be judged by their deeds not their looks….which, as i recall, started our entire debate when i questioned your accuracy when you said all females who work at Hooters had to have “Big Boobs”…

  93. gretchen July 8th, 2007 2:53 pm

    Everyone believes that their morals and standards are better and correct. If we didn’t, what would motivate us to live up to them or be passionate about them?

    I haven’t said anything about or against your daughter. You seem to be getting defensive now. Your daughter sounds like a fantastic person that knows where she is headed in life.

    I am just saying that “in general” – that is what the image of Hooters is – girls in short shorts with big boobs – have you not seen their web page or any of their advertising?

    When someone mentions “Hooters” – what is the first thing that comes to mind? It is not “oh they have great food.” Be real.

    My photo is really nothing more than a nicety so that people can have a visual image of what I look like. It’s just a personal touch. If people want to judge me by my deeds then fine. Read my website, check out my artwork and listen to my music. That is what I do. ;)

  94. Kel1 July 8th, 2007 3:59 pm

    Neil, please tell me that you did NOT just put Gretchen and Ted Bundy in the same thought. =)) Er…WOW.

    No one can dictate what other families choose to do, but I have to say that a 10 year old girl having a birthday party at a Hooters is more than a little disturbing. (Perhaps Daddy wanted to play a bit, too? ;) )

    Neil, your daughter was old enough to make her own choice to work at a Hooters to further her future aspirations. She didn’t “HAVE” to wear tight clothes and hot pants, but she chose to. And that is her choice and her right as a mature adult.

    But I believe we have been talking about CHILDREN here, who are still forming their ideas about society and especially about themselves. And in my opinion, that’s an entirely different matter.

    You think we are wrong for disagreeing with the Hooters image of womanhood. That is your right to do so, but that doesn’t make us any less open-minded than you are. We are perhaps more open-minded than you are on other subjects…I have no idea.

    You have continued to revert to personal attacks against Gretchen, and I believe it’s disrespectful. She’s said nothing against you personally, yet you continue to question HER ethics and judgment. Could we please keep that sort of thing out of this discussion?

  95. neil D July 9th, 2007 2:49 am

    Kel1: I think you totally missed my point(s).The Ted Bundy reference was merely an analogy. The ORIGINAL discussion Gretchen and i were having was simply around the inaccuracy of the original statement she made to her daughter. From that point it did become a much broader discussion. I have not and am not questioning Gretchen’s ethics. Just questioning whether society, in general, has to agree with Gretchen’s standards and ethics. From reviewing her website and having a friendly debate with her, i already believe she is a wonderful person.Never doubted it for a second. Sorry you think i am personally attacking her. I didn’t sense she felt that way and i certainly didn’t intend my comments to be taken in that manner. Hooters “image of womanhood” (as you say) is represented by the tens of thousands of women who work at one of the most sucessful restaurant chains in the country. Whatever happened to a woman’s right to choose what she does for a career or living ? With regard to your and Gretchen’s analysis of a place that she, admittedly, has never been too, why can’t other parents feel that it is appropriate to bring their children to Hooters? Aren’t you questioning their ethics and judgement? Regarding your comment “Perhaps daddy wanted to play a bit, too?”…. I was there in that Clearwater, Florida Hooters last Friday and there were NO males at the table of the birthday party for the little girls….at least i didn’t see any…..also, forgot to mention, at an adjacent table were 4 senior citizens—-all female….Again, i think we all need to relax a bit. One of the problems with the 2 cultures going on in America today, i believe, is that too many people our pushing for “their cause”, “their beliefs”..”their way” We all need to be a bit more tolerant of each other and learn to live in a loving way with each other. Just because someone does something that YOU disagree with, shouldn’t authorize you, or anyone else, to spread falsehoods regarding the subject matter. Again, tolerance, acceptance of differences and love are all good things. Suppose one of your children grows up and decides he or she is homosexual? Wouldn’t you be more tolerant of homosexuality, even if it wasn’t for you , or was against your religous beliefs? I bet you would still love your child……Think about it..open mindedness, tolerance for other’s beliefs and love for all (regardless of their beliefs and practices) are good things and will help make this a better world. Good Luck and God Bless

  96. gretchen July 9th, 2007 8:44 am

    Neil – I don’t get it. Why is my opinion wrong? :-?? Because it differs from yours?

    Sure, Hooters is popular and a lot of people both male and female will go there. That doesn’t make it a healthy environment for young, impressionable girls.

    As a parent, I recognize that the image of Hooters can be damaging and I choose to educate my daughter about modesty. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    What makes your opinion and society’s opinion right and my opinion wrong? Do you agree with absolutely everything “society” says is “right”?

  97. gretchen July 9th, 2007 8:47 am

    PS – and I don’t think I have spread any “falsehoods” to my child. Have you seen the Hooters web site? /:)

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  99. kel1 July 9th, 2007 1:51 pm

    “Just because someone does something that YOU disagree with, shouldn™t authorize you, or anyone else, to spread falsehoods regarding the subject matter. Again, tolerance, acceptance of differences and love are all good things. Suppose one of your children grows up and decides he or she is homosexual? Wouldn™t you be more tolerant of homosexuality, even if it wasn™t for you , or was against your religous beliefs? I bet you would still love your child¦”

    No one’s been spreading falsehoods here. One look at a Hooters website, and you can see how they choose to promote themselves. They’re not showing huge pictures of Hot Wings. ;) Nor do they sell calendars showcasing pictures of their food dishes. It’s their choice to do what they do, but let’s not try to sugarcoat what they’re actually “promoting” here. To quote one of my favorite band’s songs: “Sex is currency, she sells cars; she sells magazines…” And apparently, “she” also sells Hot Wings. /:)
    And I don’t have to “approve” of what they are doing, and encourage my kids to think it’s a wonderful thing. Tolerance is one thing, but approval is another. We’re not advocating that everyone shut down their Hooters restaurants…we’re just saying we have the right to disagree with their philosophies. I, for one, will not be standing outside any restaurant holding a protest sign. But I will be truthful to my kids about what they represent.

    And when you bring up a subject such as homosexuality, you are bringing up a much more sensitive topic which I don’t believe belongs here at all. As you have said yourself, that isn’t the “ORIGINAL” subject of discussion.

  100. Amy Stephen July 9th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Gretchen –

    Would you *please* turn the “notify me of followup comments” off for my ID for this thread?

    I don’t want to add email from this domain to my spam since there are other valuable threads and discussions I might still want to listen in on.

    But, for me, this thread is weeks beyond interesting or productive. It’s like a battle in futility and there are more important things to worry about.

    Sorry – but, I want off! Thanks!
    Amy :)

  101. Jennifer July 15th, 2007 3:18 pm

    Gray minivan and a young child…we can safely assume that some may call you a “soccer mom,” even though that term, to me, is more degrading than the “Hooters Girl” title I obtained while working my way through college. Not only do I have two degrees, but I am also bilingual and can assure you that most of the Hooter Girls I worked with were also working their way through college. And surprisingly, it was rare to see a girl who even sported a C-cup. And no, most of our customers were not perverse, nor unfaithful…only everyday men, many of whom brought their wives and children. And although after graduation I moved on to a higher-paying job, I saw more women with young children who came in the place than you would think. I am not trying to insult you, but as a woman, my firsthand experience at Hooters for the 4 years I worked there was awesome. It was filled with great memories, and mostly on-track girls who decided to override the taboo and see that employment there wasn’t about what most women want to think it’s about. If it was any of the other 5 restaurants I worked at part-time, I wouldn’t be defending it so strongly, only Hooters offered me great co-workers and supreme management. You’d be surprised, but our corporate office sent some of the coolest women I’ve ever met. I just wish that more women weren’t so quick to label it. Whereas it might be felon understatement that men say “I only go there for the wings,” it honestly isn’t a bad place.

  102. gretchen July 16th, 2007 3:22 pm

    Yep – I drive a mini van and my kids play soccer and I’ve even coached a couple of my kids’ teams, but I don’t think I fit the “soccer mom” mold. ;)

    I have never stated that Hooters was a bad restaurant or that the people who work there are “bad” people. I am saying that the IMAGE of Hooters is degrading and I DO NOT want my girls to grow up thinking that it is OK to dress that way and for men to view them as sex objects. I realize I am in the minority here and that’s fine with me. :)

  103. Kel1 July 16th, 2007 11:33 pm

    I am usually in the minority when I share my opinions, but that’s ok with me, too. Modesty seems to be in the minority in the world today. Now, I’m not saying we should go back to the Victorian era or that we should cover ourselves completely! But…what I am saying is that there ought to be a healthy balance, and it seems that the trend is “the more skin, the better.”
    I agree with you, Gretchen, that the IMAGE of Hooters is degrading. I also think that a mature adult woman has the RIGHT to choose to work there. She can make her own decisions, even if I don’t agree with them.
    However, when it comes to my kids, it’s my job to protect their innocence for as long as I can–and that includes helping them to think about the opposite sex in an appropriate way, as PEOPLE, not as simply as objects of sexual stimulation or gratification.

    And no, Gretchen…you’re NOT a “soccer mom”. ;) You don’t fit any mold I’ve ever seen. :D

  104. Brittney July 20th, 2007 5:39 pm

    Okay so you people are kind of ridiculous if you dont like the “hooters culture” then stay away from it! that simple I dont have insecurities or problems growing up I just like my job if a guy gets harrasing then I walk away stop making a big deal about something that doesnt even concern you.

  105. Kel1 July 21st, 2007 12:39 am

    Brittney, obviously you’ve completely missed the point of this, and the whole “insecurity” argument was discussed. But as this thread is quite long, it’s possible you overlooked that.
    The problem is with CULTURE AT LARGE, not simply with Hooters. There is a much bigger issue here. Unfortunately, we can’t seem to get away from what you have termed “Hooters culture.”
    And we HAVE stayed away from Hooters, but you must’ve overlooked that as well.

    This topic seems to make a lot of people very defensive. I’m wondering why that is.

  106. gretchen July 21st, 2007 10:06 am

    Agreed – why all the defensiveness from the folks who do go to Hooters? :-??

  107. nshar September 7th, 2007 6:00 pm

    You women, who work at hooter, you don’t realize how men are using you up. Your precious body is showing to these cheap men. Comon get out of those places and get a good education

  108. Mhairi September 19th, 2007 1:54 pm

    I find it funny how some people insist that Hooters is just about the food. Surely if that was true then they would have male waitstaff as well as female, and the majority of pictures on their website (and menu) would be of food, not women in small shorts and push-up bras?

  109. Marie October 7th, 2007 12:37 am

    I just started working at Hooters. It’s unfair to stereotype the girls who work there. We’re not stupid ditzes who are oblivious to the tactics that Hooters uses to make money. It’s clear in their advertising they are using women to sell food, and it’s clear from the the percentage of male customers that it is working.

    O…and I have an full A cup….small B. This is my 3rd/weekend Job …and I’m a full time student taking 17 units…(18 if you wanna count two half credits of PE) I’m a biology major and I study my ass off. My other two jobs are a office assistant job ($14/hr), and job at a campus library ($9/hr).

    Just for the fyi, I’m trying to come out of college debt free (for all of you wonderful people with ‘less’ degrading jobs, who probably have student loans leftover, or other debt) My outlook on life is work for what you own, and save up for everything else. A lot of my coworkers are the same type, students in pretty resepectable majors, working their way through college.

    I never ate at a Hooters growing up. My parents didn’t support it either. I have a lot of guy friends, so I went one once and LOVED the hotwings lol. That atmosphere is pretty fun. I think I was hired, not because of my boobs obviously, but I’m pretty outgoing (the manager offered me and my best friend an ap) I’ve worked a variety of jobs since I was 16 including commission sales in Macy’s shoe dept to teacher aid jobs etc. This job is fun and it makes good extra cash.

    I hate serving women, as bad as that sounds. Maybe I just had a bad experience being walked all over and been treated like crap in the women’s shoe dept by career women and teeny boppers, or by soccer moms. When all your customers are b*tchy women, and you’re working commission it’s really stressful and sucks.

    80% of my customers are men, and I haven’t had a problem yet with the women or kids they bring. It’s the only job that I wouldn’t mind working super bowl or Halloween, or weekends. My coworkers are great, yes they are pretty by our society’s standards and some have big boobs, but they also have a similar bubbly personality that I have, compared to 30 year hard core rip-out-your-throat commission sale coworkers.

    I know I’m smart. I have 3.5 in a hard major. I know I’m cute and bubbly. I know I can get people to buy anything…I could sell water to a drowning man (so says my little sister;p) I’m sure guys don’t mind a cute girl serving them food, compared to some overworked mid 20′s male waitor at Olive Garden, and Hooters is a place that has sports and alcohol. If you don’t support it, don’t eat there. I don’t have a problem with you. If you think I’m helping your husband cheat on you, you’re wrong. I was a varsity cheerleader and wore skimpier stuff than at hooters. Our uniforms outline our curves more than show skin. What’s the difference from a rasor-backed midriff cheer top to a cleavage spilling wifebeater. Don’t eat at Carl’s Jr. or buy Pepsi because of their commercials because they sell sex too.

    ….Mommy, what’s Carl’s Jr?…Honey, they make burgers like McDonalds, but they appeal to the tastes of men in their advertising. ‘Don’t bother me I’m eating’ huge burgers and a scantally clad celebrities in a commercial. We’re gonna boycott them sweetie, and close down every one in our neighborhood.

    Tell your kids the truth, sheltered kids always seem to end up being the alcoholic sluts in college, don’t ask me why…random observation. Hooter’s is a fun enviroment, the only reason I would suggest not bringing the kids is because of the amount of alcohol consumption in the restaurant (at least On The Border has a bar “room” with booths in it separate from the rest of the restaurant) If you think it makes your daughter feel self conscious, then maybe it’s best to tackle the situation and explain to her beauty is culturally and sociologically relative. Relate it to tv, celebrities, girls in H.S., and she’ll be educated on the matter and comfortable with her body than an insecure anaorexic when she’s older.

    Am I being used? Maybe you could look at it that way. Am I using the men there? You could look at it that way too. Am I a stripper or a prostitute? Hell no. What about models…are they bad people because they use their looks to make money in a messed up society with culturally relative standards of beauty? Hell, I just serve hotwings in orange track shorts. Working at Hooters is beneficial to me because I get a gratuity on a ‘bar-like tab’ without being a bartender. For those of you who work in other restaurants know what a big plus this is. I love my managers and coworkers. I’ve had less girl drama here than other places I’ve worked. Just don’t eat there if you don’t like it. I have friends on both sides of the fence, and love them both. Hopefully this post gives you a little insight on the ‘ditzes’ who work at Hooters, because I’m not trying to advertise or anything. We have enough customers, and I expect people to stick to their own values anyway.

  110. imani October 7th, 2007 10:11 am

    You people are incredible. You all honestly have nothing better to do than sit at home in front of your computers and talk about how bad a restaurant is? Who cares that they usually hire women who are attractive? Why are fat, ugly women so quick to say that someone who wears a tank top and shorts is degrading themselves? Is it because you really wish you could do the same and get away with it? It’s no different than what cheerleaders wear, and at least hooters girls are required to wear pantyhose with their uniforms. Who really cares why people eat at the restaurant in the first place? Is it really wrong for men to want to be around attractive waitresses while they eat? And how on earth is a man who looks at you while you are in shorts and a tank top using you? Are men using women when they go to the beach and wear bathing suits?? just because a woman works at hooters does not mean she doesn’t have a good education. That just doesn’t even make sense. And whats funny is the person who wrote that comment can barely string together two sentences that make sense. Why dont YOU get an education instead of sitting online bashing women who are trying to make money for themselves legally and honestly.

  111. gretchen October 7th, 2007 3:51 pm

    “and I expect people to stick to their own values anyway.”

    That’s right. That’s what it comes down to, doesn’t it?

    Values.

    And my values are different.

    I value modesty and teaching my children to value themselves for who they are not what image they can project. All I’m asking is that we be real about this. Will anyone that supports Hooters at least acknowledge that Hooters is promoting an unhealthy image for young girls? Have we become that blind? :o

  112. imani October 7th, 2007 4:28 pm

    I will absolutely not say that Hooters is promoting an unhealthy image for young girls. That would be like expecting me to say I think going to the beach is unhealthy and immoral. Lol, will anyone who DOESN’T support Hooters at least admit that a person who values their inner person can also appreciate their outer beauty as well…and that wearing a tank top and shorts doesn’t mean they are degrading themselves?

  113. Erin King October 15th, 2007 3:16 pm

    I happen to work at Hooters and yes they hire attractive people because they have a certain image to portray. Our society puts a lot of emphasis on image. It takes some one about 10 seconds to make an initial judgment of some one based on appearance. I understand looks will only get you so far in life but it’s at least a foot in the door. Have you ever considered that the women who work at Hooters don’t feel as if it is degrading to women? If you have such a problem with Hooters than don’t you work there or don’t you eat there. We’ve moved past the Victorian era. Let’s act like it.

  114. Marie October 16th, 2007 8:40 pm

    I’m not sure a Hooter’s Girl is promoting a bad image for young girls. I’m not going to lie, all of the girls I work with are in really good shape, our uniforms are athletic in design. I run all the time and wear a wife beater and track shorts…the only difference is the uniform has slouch socks and hair that’s worn down. I think girls should love their body, I do, but I work for my body. I love exercising and running, and at least Hooters promotes a curvy and athletic image instead of a stick figure one seen on tv by anaorexic actresses.

    I’m starting to think we should boycott Disney. Their young ladies are really cute. They are pretty, they’re peppy, and not every girl is like that, they bring other girls down and make other girls feel bad. They got picked because of their looks, and they promote products and sell air time because they’re cute. Not every girl can get cast as Hannah Montanna or Lizzie McGuire. Face it, they’re claiming those girls to be normal like everyone else, but not every girl is Disney cute. Disney’s using them.

    Advertising is looks based. Are models bad people too? What about that cute 13 year old modeling a swim suit for Target. She’s wearing less clothes than me…and she’s plastered all over target. Maybe we should Target them too…

    Hooter’s girls aren’t strippers. We’re not prostitutes. We serve food. I was against the Hooters in my area until I actually ATE at one. And then I ate there again, and then I got hired. They’ve raised a lot of money for some good programs, and for an area like mine that doesn’t have a Fox Sports Grill, Hooters isn’t a bad alternative to bars where people get really drunk. Hooters doesn’t even promote a happy hour for that reason either.

  115. Marie October 16th, 2007 8:43 pm

    ***edit***Maybe we should Boycott Target too. Lol, I don’t know why I wrote we should Target them too. Sometimes my brain thinks faster than I can type :-p

  116. Mindy October 17th, 2007 10:31 pm

    OMG, you all crack me up. Ban Hooters and any company, product, or event that may employ a remotely attractive woman. Dang, the thought police are out in force. I guess you all speak for all women. If only you could get men to stop wanting to have sex with women, I think you could accomplish your goals.

  117. gretchen October 18th, 2007 9:41 am

    I still think the point is being missed here…I am not opposed to people who are attractive or people in swimsuits or anything like that. It’s the IMAGE that Hooters portrays. They are not respectful. Look at the tagline on their web site “delightfully tacky, yet unrefined”. Does that sound respectful?

  118. Marie October 18th, 2007 9:51 pm

    I don’t mind it. We’re not suppose to wear anything in our hair, or too much makeup…so we’re suppose to look unrefined…like the girl next door. As for the tacky part…I’m not gonna lie…orange dolfin shorts aren’t the most flattering or cute outfit, the uniforms themselves are tacky…but we’re the delightful part, so the girls wearing tacky clothes aren’t necessarily tacky hehe.

    Hooters promotes a neighborhood bar image. And that’s what it is…a neighborhood restaurant/bar/ hangout, that happens to be a chain instead of a ma and pop run bar, that has cute bubbly waitresses.

    as for your comment earlier, sorry I didn’t catch the phrase earlier, but I wanted to note it. You mentioned your sticking to your values, good for you, and they are different.

    I’d have to disagree, and agree at the same time. I think what you were implying, was that your values are ‘better.’ We don’t have different values, I value modesty too. Disagreeing…what I consider to be modest is different than what you consider to be modest. In the middle east, your daughter would be a slut. What is considered decent is cultural. You yourself don’t have a problem with the uniforms I’m assuming, it’s a modified track outfit with less revealing clothing than a swimsuit.

    What you seem to disagree with is the context it’s used, but that’s assuming that Hooters ‘Image’ is closer related to a strip club than a restaurant, but looking at it in the context of a neighborhood restaurant, than maybe you’ll see why we don’t have a problem with it.

    From personal experience, in all respect ma’am, the most disrespect I’ve ever received regarding working at Hooters, isn’t from men who eat there, not from my managers or coworkers, but from women not unlike yourself.

    ***note***to Mindy- I hope that reply wasn’t to me lol, maybe you should read the post again and note the high tone of sarcasm.

  119. Marie October 18th, 2007 9:59 pm

    just a question, would you have a problem with Hooters if everything stayed the same, except the girls wore t-shirts with basketball shorts and athletic sneakers?

  120. Kel1 October 19th, 2007 1:11 am

    “In the middle east, your daughter would be a slut. What is considered decent is cultural.”

    And yet, we are all living here in America (at least I am), so I am in the Hooters “culture.”
    BTW, how do you know what Gretchen’s daughter would be considered in the middle east? I believe you are not referring to the “societal culture” of the middle east, but to the religion of Islam and sharia law, where it is in place. And this is an unfair comparison, in my opinion. Not all people in the middle east are under that religious law.

    Let me quote you some things directly from the Hooters web page at the moment: (www.hooters.com)

    (at the top of the page are three happy women whose breasts are heaving over the tops of their tank tops.)

    “It’s finally here and it’s the Hottest Hooters Calendar EVER…no ifs, ands, or butts about it!” (the picture is self-explanatory, btw)

    (ad for calendar) “Wanna see MORE? Wanna turn the page?”

    And can you please tell me what these burger names are referring to:
    “Training Burgers” (small version of the following),
    the “More than a Mouthful Burger”,
    and the “Double “D” (Double Decker) Burger”?

    And here: http://www.originalhooters.com/
    I don’t see a single picture of food on the home page, but I do see cartoons of scantily clad beach bunnies. Hmm.

    Yeah, guys just go there for the hot wings. ;)

  121. Marie October 19th, 2007 5:04 pm

    I refer to the middle east as a near east culture, characterized by Islam, just like much on the ideas of modesty in America and Western culture comes from Christian values…though the degree in which varies from country to country is certainly different. Yes it’s an unfair comparison…because they are ‘more’ modest/ ‘better’ in their ideas of modesty?…not different? Or just because I referred to the region geographically instead of culturally? What about eastern culture? Like in Japan, where the neck is exotic? or there was a culture we talked about in a class I took (I can’t remember the name of the tribe), but the only thing guys needed to cover up to be modest was their belly button lol. So what if we’re covering up the wrong parts.

    I live in American culture, and a tank top, with hot shorts at the beach is considered modest, maybe because I grew up in pop culture America. Apparently, it’s bad news in a restaurant, girls that eat here wear less than I do!

    Hooter’s definitely plays with puns, and it definitely uses women sex appeal as a marketing scheme. Is it used much more than other products or restaurants? I don’t think so, just differently. Should we put a stop to all products sold to women using women’s beauty/ sex appeal? Victoria’s Secret- you too can look this sexy if you buy this. Olay uses a naked woman covered only by a ribbon to sell lotion. Carl’s Jr. had Paris Hilton. If Hooter’s changed their name to Betty’s¦would you have a problem with it? Maybe you too don’t support bars because of how cocktail waitresses dress, but you’re not trying to run them off the street, because they don’t have a name using a pun or sell calendars. If Hooter’s only hired athletes, male and females. with ‘hot bodies’¦ would we picket the streets because Betty’s was exploiting athletes in track uniforms? Hooters uses sex to sell, in a clever way¦tacky lol I guess¦puns can be somewhat satirical¦but yet they’re targeted more so than others, even though they don’t use strategies too different from other companies, minus their vocabulary, and girls IN restaurants rather than a girl ON tv. It’s the difference between direct and indirect tv.

    Our hot wings aren’t the best, but I’m in the West coast because my husband was stationed in Cali and we don’t have a lot of good hot wing joints around here, like we do back home. We used to eat here a lot and with his buddies and their wives before the got deployed in April. O, and it was my idea to get the hot wings ;) …My husband wouldn’t suggest it because he’s way spoiled w/ the East coast lol.

  122. Marie October 19th, 2007 5:10 pm

    Edit** direct and indirect advertising.***

    o…and sorry for all the run on sentences and if the first paragraph was hard to read because the tenses were really messed up….

    Again, I didn’t have much time to write this. lol

  123. Kel1 October 19th, 2007 10:10 pm

    Let me say that I have no respect for Carl’s Jr. either, by their use of tasteless and tacky advertising techniques that focus only on sex. Nor am I a fan of the Victoria’s Secret commercials which tend to come on at inopportune moments when my young children are in the room.
    I am not against Hooters only. I believe this is a serious problem that is pervasive in Western culture.
    The truth of the matter is that exposing more flesh and focusing on the use of “sex appeal” or using “sex as power” to dominate and tempt men hasn’t really HELPED the cause of women or men.
    Simply because something is seemingly “fun” or “normal” according to whatever crowd you’re with doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily healthy or acceptable behavior, in my opinion.
    The things that you do in Vegas, for example, don’t really STAY in Vegas. ;) They follow you. The things you do, the actions you take, the way you present yourself will have an impact on how you are perceived in society.

    There are a lot of “what ifs” in your comment, Marie. But the bottom line for me is that I can’t live by the “what ifs.” What IF Hooters stopped having their wait staff dress the way they do? WHAT IF they had them dress more “modestly,” in less exposing attire like other restaurants? My guess–business would drop so fast their heads would spin. But again…can’t go by “what ifs,” can we? ;)

    You said it yourself: “Hooters uses sex to sell, in a clever way…” Yes, they do. They use sex to sell. Thank you, someone here has finally just come right out and said it.
    You see, my problem, as I said, is not strictly with Hooters, it is with the pervasive “sex can sell anything and hey, it’s just grand” mentality.

  124. gretchen October 20th, 2007 10:25 am

    Yes Marie – you nailed it. They sell sex. And I have a problem with that. Not with sex ;), but the fact that they market this where my kids are exposed to it. For example, I have seen Victoria’s Secret commercials air on my local tv station at 10am on a Saturday morning – right smack in the middle of Saturday morning cartoons! That is inappropriate! I took a great deal of marketing classes in college and I understand the reasoning behind why these products are marketed this way, but we’re warping future generations of children.

    The more we push sex into the marketplace, the more children will be exposed to it. I shouldn’t have to explain what sex is to my 10 year old, but I will be doing that soon because she sees and hears enough these days to have started asking questions. When I was her age, boys still had cooties and the word “sex” was foreign to me. I did not come from a sheltered environment either.

    I will not support any company that uses sex to market their products in the presence of children. Especially when those places claim to be “family-oriented” like Dairy Queen or Hardee’s. As a parent, that is the best I can do outside of housing my kids in a cave. Read back through this thread and you will see more than one person say that Hooters a place for families. Sorry – not for my family. [-(

  125. EJ November 1st, 2007 7:04 pm

    I stumbled across this site and just wanted to comment. I’m a woman in my early 20′s. I received my bachelor’s degree in May and have a decent paying full time job. However, I have $45,000 in student loans to start paying this month and while I could make the payments in addition to rent and all of my other bills, I’d be living on a very tight budget. So what did I do? I got a second job at Hooters. I’d never been to a Hooters before I decided to apply, but I had an idea of what would be required of me (dress in the ugly uniform and flirt with people, no big deal). Why did I think this was a good idea? Because I knew very well that I would be making a lot better tips serving at Hooter’s than at any other restaurant. I’m not totally insecure and feel that I’m getting validation from having men ogle me, either. I’ve found that I really enjoy being encouraged to actually sit down and talk to the people I’m serving, which is not something you typically do as a waitress. The training to be a Hooter girl is actually a lot more work than I’d thought it’d be and numerous times it has been reiterated to us that the Hooters girl should be the “All-American Girl Next Door.” What’s wrong with that?

  126. Kel1 November 3rd, 2007 1:15 am

    EJ, I am sorry to hear about the debt you’ve incurred. I know how horrible that is–college debt! UGH! :(
    It’s good that you enjoy certain aspects of your job. Every person should.

    You asked the question “what’s wrong with that?”
    Well…why do you suppose you make more in tips? Why is it that Hooters girls make, as you say, “a lot better tips serving at Hooter’s than at any other restaurant”?
    Not to be insulting, but the servers at topless bars make pretty good tips, too, and so do ladies who give customers a little extra “attention” (ie, conversation at the table). That is a legal job for them to have here in America, so that’s their right. I just don’t have to think it’s “right” or “great.”

    Playboy has been known to use that phrase, too– “she’s your All-American girl next door type.”
    Yeah. Every girl next door wears hot pants leaving little to the imagination and tank tops that do the same. ;)

    Plus, I do believe last time I checked that Hooters was an international business. So, in Japan, they have “the Japanese girls next door?” Oh yeah, I see LOTS of Japanese women strolling around in hot pants. Showing lots of skin. Or how ’bout the one they’re opening in Israel, which of course is known as the hotbed of hot pants…

    oh, wait. I must be thinking of someplace else. :))

  127. lkh November 9th, 2007 12:50 am

    Sorry, this one is from a while back.

    “I have never stated that Hooters was a bad restaurant or that the people who work there are “bad” people. I am saying that the IMAGE of Hooters is degrading and I DO NOT want my girls to grow up thinking that it is OK to dress that way and for men to view them as sex objects.”

    So, you won’t say that the restaurant or the women who work there are bad and evil, and degrading, just the things that they stand for, and the image that they present …. riiiiigght.

    Why is it not okay to dress in track pants and a tank top? Do you wear a parka when you go to the beach? I’m guessing not. Admittedly (and I’m just beating you to the punch here) “I don’t wear a skimpy bikini, blah blah blah,” we get it. Has NO ONE ever looked at you and thought you to be attractive? Have you never put on lipstick or styled your hair to put forward your best image? I’m guessing (maybe incorrectly) that you have. How is that different than someone choosing to wear a uniform and work at a restaurant that uses sexual appeal to sell to its customers? You are putting forward your best self to get something for yourself.

    Here’s a situation. You have a job interview at a professional, high-powered agency. You’d probably wear a suit, heels, style your hair, and generally be more concious of your appearance.
    -
    And please don’t degrade everyone and say that you wouldn’t, you would. Same as if I was a fitness instructor, and trying to help people get into shape. My uniform for the job would be athletic and slim-fitting. It’s part of the job. It helps me do my work better.

    So, at least in my eyes, working at a resturant like Hooters is the same thing. There is a standard that you knowingly accept, and you dress accordingly.

    How is Hooters any different than any other sports bar or nightclub? MEN LIKE SEX. Yes, they are faithful, moral, church-going citizens. But there’s this little thing called testosterone, that makes men like women.

    Also, I think it’s slightly hilarious that no one has commented on a fact from your original story – you said that the first thing your daughter said upon hearing you say that Hooters employs attractive, well-endowed women … “Oh so Daddy would like it.” Hahaha. And then you continue to go on about how you are teaching your daughter morals and modesty. Sure, you are, but someone is messing up if that’s the first thought that strikes her pretty little head. Women like looking at men, and men like looking at women (aside from homosexuals, asexuals, etc). It is a fact of life, it’s biology. So what if people use that to their advantage?

  128. Kel1 November 10th, 2007 7:02 pm

    “How is Hooters any different than any other sports bar or night club?”

    Hmm…lemme think…they seem to wish to be known as a “family restaurant.” At least, that’s the way so many on this thread have portrayed it. Kids having their birthday parties there, etc…yeah, I take my kids to night clubs and sports bars to celebrate birthdays. Uh huh.

    And you’ve said it again, but seem to have missed the point entirely: Hooters uses sex to sell their product. And that is what we are objecting to here. That’s it, plain and simple.
    This isn’t about what you wear to the beach. It’s about the image that a supposed “family restaurant” is putting forward by requiring its female employees (though they seem to be quite willing to do so) to dress in the hot pants and tank tops.

    I am constantly amazed at how this conversation has been turned around to say, “Oh, you must be unattractive, that’s why you oppose this place.” No, the fact is that we have a different view. We are attractive women with husbands and children and we happen to think that causing young women to think that their bodies are their main assets is very unhealthy. For everyone.

  129. Priscilla November 22nd, 2007 3:04 pm

    Wow. I’m amazed at the intelligence here. I’m also very offended. I’m currently a Hooters Girl and VERY proud of it. I’m in college and I’m working on my second degree. I also work with girls who attend Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill for pre-med and pre-law. So if you’re saying that we aren’t educated maybe you should actually step foot into a Hooters and ask the girls who is in college, who has a degree, who is working on their second degree. People who think that women are being exploited here are very narrow minded. If your daughter wanted to be in a beauty pageant, would you tell her it’s exploiting her? No. You’d gladly say yes. It’s very sad that you think it’s not a family place. We have a lot of mothers who work there. Not to mention, families who love to come in. Instead of saying we’re uneducated, maybe you should look in the mirror. Also, you might not believe this, but looks take you pretty far in this world now. Our uniforms are a lot more than what most people wear to the beach. So are you going to tell your daughters they can’t go to the beach? Are you going to boycott the beach? Just wait to the new uniforms come out. You’ll have even more to complain about! I’m glad I’m a beautiful girl. I’m glad I have big boobs. I’m glad I work there. And I’m thankful for people like you who don’t know anything about Hooters or the girls that work there.

  130. Kel1 November 22nd, 2007 11:38 pm

    “So if you™re saying that we aren™t educated …”

    Nope, so far I’m pretty sure that no one has said that. Lots of Hooters girls are college-educated, as has been written here already. That isn’t what we’re saying here at all. And you are one of many college educated Hooters girls who have posted here and COMPLETELY missed the point. We aren’t saying you’re uneducated. (However, this statement: “and ask the girls who is in college, who has a degree, who is working on their second degree…” isn’t even grammatically correct. I’m trusting that your degree isn’t in English.)

    “If your daughter wanted to be in a beauty pageant, would you tell her it™s exploiting her?”

    Yes, I most definitely would, because that is what I believe.

    “Instead of saying we™re uneducated, maybe you should look in the mirror.”

    Nope, we didn’t say you were uneducated. Maybe you should actually read the posts here. ;) (And I am wondering what education has to do with looking in the mirror. Hmm…)

    “Also, you might not believe this, but looks take you pretty far in this world now.”

    Um, yeah…that’s what we’re decrying here–that it seems like women are valued mainly for the way they appear.

    “Are you going to boycott the beach?”

    Nope. And I’m not technically boycotting Hooters, either. I just won’t go there because of the image they put forth. And the beach doesn’t advertise by putting scantily clad women on their billboards and websites. The beach is a public place, but I wouldn’t call it a “family environment,” depending on what beach you choose to frequent.

    (Ya just gotta love how people advocating FOR Hooters continue to compare apples to oranges here. ;) )

    “Just wait to the new uniforms come out. You™ll have even more to complain about! I™m glad I™m a beautiful girl. I™m glad I have big boobs. I™m glad I work there. And I™m thankful for people like you who don™t know anything about Hooters or the girls that work there.”

    Wow, I think you’ve told us a lot about yourself, at any rate, as a proud Hooters girl (which is fine for you, btw, but I wouldn’t want my daughter working there)…you’ve told us you’re excited to wear an even MORE scantily clad uniform–at least I’m to assume that it is even more skimpy than the current one–and that you have big boobs.

    I am left wondering why, if it is as you say, that Hooters is changing their uniforms to an assumedly more risque outfit. Could it be that customers just aren’t seeing enough skin and business is being lost to the local strip clubs?? :D

    Kidding. Sort of. ;)

  131. allichick November 23rd, 2007 12:06 am

    I agree compltey with you (I’m only 13 ut I know alot) WHY must people think being half-naked is beariful?
    Opinion of another persone:think if the girls decide to act slutty and appear slutty, that the only reaction that get from guys will be….i guess….really really bad reactions. I guess the only disadvantage of a girl acting slutty is the guy never being able to take her seriously…..so the guy will only see her as a fling…and would probably not even want to be in a serious relationship with her. I guess the only thing to do is to try and help these misguided girls…..letting them know that acting slutty will get them no where in life and that……acting slutty may even provoke rapists/paedophiles to abduct them. But i guess the main reason as to why girls act slutty is either….boosting self confidence…..influence from the media definitely……and maybe even just raised that way. Its really unfortunate to see these circumstances happen and i guess the only thing u can do is sit back and watch……

    so why must we use smex to encorge people like that ,my litte 8 year old cuzzien is getting the wrong idea and doing things she isn’t suppused to think about yet (like getting a boyfriend,kissiing.etc…)thanks to places she sees (like HOOTERS) and what she hears from older kids.I can understand that it is a way of “making money” but do you really what a persone like the way YOU LOOK not about your personealltly are.If you have a husband which would you rathier have some macho guy that only likes the way you look or some sweet guy that loves you for you.Becouse those are the only type of guys that go there “macho typs” if you have self respect you wouldn’t work there why not work at some other restrant instead.And if it a “family restant” why are women practily naked and why is the store called “HOOTERS”
    :-?

    Also you souldn’t ever put a kid in a pubilc school you tend to learn to many things;)

  132. allichick November 23rd, 2007 12:25 am

    I just went to the website and all I am joing to ask is WTH?!!!! If this is a famly restrant at least wear more clothes than that sure you say the food is good but do you need to dress like that and look at the menu its nasty (not the food) how can you say that is is a family restrant :-t:-& no way that can be a family restant for now I will stop tying I am getting sick……

  133. Priscilla November 23rd, 2007 3:57 pm

    Ignorance is bliss. If you don’t like our uniforms or us or anything about the store stay out. Leave it be. Stop pissing people off. Everyone has an opinion and they all suck. Reguardless of if you don’t WANT your daughter to work there, once she’s 18 years old SHE can do whatever she wants. My parents were the same way. And you guys can’t baby her forever. You wouldn’t know it, but a lot of the girls there go on to make millions. You live in a society who put pretty women before anyone else. Deal with it. If you don’t like it move to the Middle East where women don’t really matter.

  134. allichick November 23rd, 2007 5:02 pm

    “Ignorance is bliss” it sure is but do you relize that even if you do make millions there you would honesty go to a place were you would didcrace yourself and the women soictiy?
    And your right everyone does have thier opion and my opion is why work at that kind of restrant if you have any confidice in yourself becouse you can make alot of money at other jobs and restrants my sister works at a restrount and makes the same amount of money.But your telling me that once your little girl or any one elses should just let their kids do whatever they want like for example if she gets a neat idea to become a stripper just becouse they can make money alot faster /:) so you would expect your parnets to not care about your well-being and would let you become a drug dealer just becouse they wanted to.Parnets are sometimes exacly what they are called your parnets.They set rules down for a resone and your well being and I agree with you they cant baby you forever BUT they are still you parnets the people that created you and you expect them to just forget about you well being once you turn a sertain age?I don’t know what kind of parnets you have but I hope they are not like that.Also are people so SHALLOW that all they care about is being pretty? when I get a job I would like to get one using my knowlege and skill not becouse I am pretty.there is nothing wrong with being pretty at all,BUT how is working at a place like hooters joing to help you in life?Its one thing you learn at school but in life there is a differnt kind of knowlege you need.So whene you quit working there what did you learn in expirnice there that “I’m pretty so its easyer for me to get any where in life” or that “This is what I want my kids to be like when they grow up to think that being pretty will make their life easyer” thats the message places like hooters gives don’t you people see if you take familys kids there and some poor insont little girls say “I want to be skinny and have big boobies to” think about how that affects your childern if you DO LOVE THEM why not teach them to be kind instead.To many things are already affecting the kids minds like gangs,sex,and peer-pressure we don’t need more places like hooters affecting our body image so why leave it alone to affect more minds.Ok people say they go there to eat is that so?then why do you use skimpy uniforms to sell your proucts.Becouse you sell more like that “You live in a society who put pretty women before anyone else” so is that the kind of society we live in?No I don’t think so we live in a socity that SOULD BE FAIR TO EVERYONE not just “pretty women” and do you really know they defination of pretty?Pretty is in my opoin someonewho is kind NOT shallow and into themselfs and is not selfish.Like my grandmother said “you can be the most prettyist persone in the world but it means nothing if you are crule” so basicly you want use to sit back and take discrimation against women becouse if you think about it its discimating women in all ways even if you don’t relize it.And I hope people see my piont of veiw in this.

    A persones opion NOT me
    “Opinion of another persone:think if the girls decide to act slutty and appear slutty, that the only reaction that get from guys will be¦.i guess¦.really really bad reactions. I guess the only disadvantage of a girl acting slutty is the guy never being able to take her seriously¦..so the guy will only see her as a fling¦and would probably not even want to be in a serious relationship with her. I guess the only thing to do is to try and help these misguided girls¦..letting them know that acting slutty will get them no where in life and that¦¦acting slutty may even provoke rapists/paedophiles to abduct them. But i guess the main reason as to why girls act slutty is either¦.boosting self confidence¦..influence from the media definitely¦¦and maybe even just raised that way. Its really unfortunate to see these circumstances happen and i guess the only thing u can do is sit back and watch¦¦

    @};-@};-@};-

  135. allichick November 23rd, 2007 5:06 pm

    “”Also, you might not believe this, but looks take you pretty far in this world now.”

    Um, yeah¦that™s what we™re decrying here-that it seems like women are valued mainly for the way they appear.”
    thanks for that comment
    it shows what people think of themselfs know

    @};-@};-@};-

  136. Priscilla November 24th, 2007 6:54 pm

    Yikes…spell check next time darling.
    People will do what they feel is best for them. Like I said before in my previous post, I’m working on my 2nd degree. I’m going into the Police Academy next fall. Working at Hooters isn’t a career choice for me. It’s a way to pay for college and to pay my bills. I’ve met a lot of great people working there. Along with many famous people. Plus it’s a GREAT enviornment. The people are awesome and so are the girls I work with. I’ve never met nicer girls in my life. Not playing sports, not being part of the Student Government and not even in my sorority. And how are we acting and dressing slutty? That’s another stupid comment. There is NOTHING slutty about how we dress. Like I said, you wear less to the beach. So does that mean when you go to the beach you’re being slutty? Nope. I would love for someone in your family to start working at Hooters and you give them the same crap you’re saying about us. I’m sure once you actually MET a girl who worked there you wouldn’t be so quick to throw around the word ‘slutty’. And like the previous post, you wouldn’t dare say anything about a fitness instructor who wears just about as much as us. I go to work EVERY DAY looking great and feeling great, just like every other person who goes to work.

  137. gretchen November 24th, 2007 7:10 pm

    I agree that spellcheck would help, but Allchick is only 13 so cut her some slack. I think what is still missing here is that Hooters sells sex. Period. I don’t want to be a part of that image. Nor do I want my children to be a part of that image either as an employee or a customer.

    Women can be smart and talented without being sucked into that kind of image. I would not refer to it as “slutty”, but I do think there is a fine line between what is tasteful and what is not. Hooters calls themselves “unrefined” in there marketing. As for paying for college, there are a lot of other jobs out there that pay just as much. ;)

    “You live in a society who put pretty women before anyone else.” Yes, I realize that, but rather than “deal with it” as you suggest, I think I’d rather work to change that mindset. :)>-

  138. Priscilla November 26th, 2007 2:16 am

    There are a lot of other jobs where I live. You’re right. But it’s where I feel comfortable working. Men are going to naturally look at women, women will naturally look at men. It’s nature. I get more comments and hit on more while I’m out shopping at the mall or in a bar than I do at work. Tasteful…what do you call tasteful? We get up every day, get ready for work and put our best face forward. Just like anyone else. We just do it in a tank top and dolphin shorts. As for changing the mindset of pretty women advancing faster and farther, that won’t happen. How many less attractive stars are out there? How many less attractive singers do you see? Everything is based off image these days. And I KNOW you judge people when you see them. Everyone does. If you were an employer and you had 2 people applying for the same job, with the same skills and were completely equal in everything and one was more attractive than the other you would pick the more attractive person. It’s natural.
    I wish the people who say these things about Hooters Girls could walk one day in our shoes. We go through so much each day. It takes a certain kind of girl to do what we do. And to deal with the smug attitudes of women and of course men who disagree with where we work. While we get these smug looks and pissy attitudes we have to keep that smile on our face, no matter what. Walk one day in our Sketchers, and I guarentee you’d think twice about talking so badly about us.

  139. Kel1 November 27th, 2007 12:49 am

    “Walk one day in our Sketchers, and I guarentee you™d think twice about talking so badly about us.”

    I think the point here is that Hooters, whether we believe it or not, IS promoting sex to sell their products. It’s food, for heaven’s sake, not lingerie. I just don’t see the need for women to dress the way they do there…and I don’t think we’re talking badly about you to say that it’s a possibility that you are demeaning yourself and teaching younger generations of girls to do the same by buying into the male-dominated idea of beauty and sexiness (tank tops, short shorts).

    And for your information, it was MEN, not women, who invented the bikini swimsuit (http://ask.yahoo.com/20030410.html) –since we seem to be continually talking about beachwear here.
    I am seeing a pattern…men think an idea is great–hey, when have they NOT thought naked women were great??–and they promote it and WE, the WOMEN, buy it!! Hook, line, and sinker.

    How blind are we??

  140. Priscilla November 27th, 2007 1:43 am

    There have been quite a few people to talk badly about us. I’m just saying it’s really not that big of a deal. It’s tank tops and shorts. I’m sure in the summer you wear tank tops and shorts…is that demeaning? Will you stop letting your children wear tank tops and shorts because we wear it for work? Do you really think Hooters is going to go out of business because some people think it’s ‘demeaning’ to work there? Yeah, I don’t think so either. They aren’t hard up on girls wanting to work there. What about Miss America? Is she demeaning herself too?
    Seriously…put yourself out there one day like we do and you won’t ever say anything about us again.

  141. Kel1 November 27th, 2007 2:01 am

    “Do you really think Hooters is going to go out of business because some people think it™s ˜demeaning™ to work there? Yeah, I don™t think so either. They aren™t hard up on girls wanting to work there.”

    Thank you, you’ve made my point exactly.

    “Seriously¦put yourself out there one day like we do and you won™t ever say anything about us again.”

    My question is, why would I WANT to “put myself out there?” Why do I need to expose myself in order to get a job? The only other waitstaff that I know of which is more scantily clad than Hooters is a strip club. And yet they claim to be a family restaurant. They’re not.

    The pageant thing is another thing I dislike, yes. I feel that it places too much on appearances–the swimsuit competition, the evening gown competition…what exactly are we judging here? And though in recent years they have chosen not to promote themselves as strictly a “beauty competition,” they have never removed the swimsuit and evening gown categories. Gosh, now they only make up 35% of a girl’s score. How very kind of them. I would point out, however, that the pageant says their Miss America must be “refined.”

    Part of the Hooters’ theme refers to them as “unrefined.” Back to the topic, which you continue to avoid, it seems…Hooters:

    On wikipedia, it states that “Originally, the shirts were white cotton, pulled tight and knotted in the back to emphasize the breasts. For years, this knot tying was a Hooters ritual before opening.”

    It also states on Wiki, and maybe you can state whether or not this is true, that the employee handbook states the following:
    “Female employees are required to sign that they “acknowledge and affirm” the following:

    1. My job duties require I wear the designated Hooters Girl uniform.
    2. My job duties require that I interact with and entertain the customers.
    3. The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and sexual innuendo based on female sex appeal is commonplace.
    4. I do not find my job duties, uniform requirements, or work environment to be offensive, intimidating, hostile, or unwelcome.”

    (These requirements were obtained through the Smoking Gun website, it states.)

    We aren’t boycotting Hooters here or trying to start some sort of petition saying that no one should eat or work there…we’re just saying that we disagree with their standards and their use of sex to sell their product, which has nothing to DO with sex.

  142. Chris November 28th, 2007 11:28 am

    I was very offended when I just found out today that my company party is going to be at HOOTERS. I am married and have a one year old daughter. I have no more respect for the company that I work for. My boss and several other families that work for my company have young children and I can not see how they would approve of such a location for a family Christimas party. This incident among other things has caused me to look for another job.

  143. Priscilla November 28th, 2007 3:45 pm

    Your little handbook thing is definitely INCORRECT. I love how people just make crap up. It’s amazing. NO WHERE in our handbook does it say anything about Hooters being based around sex appeal or sexual innuendos. I’m done with that. If you actually believe that wouldn’t written in a freakin handbook you’re not as smart as I thought you were. You can find a lot of things on the internet. Like how Big Foot DOES exsist!

    As for being offended…why would you be offended that the party is at Hooters? Trust me, we DON’T want your husbands or boyfriends. Your boss obviously doesn’t judge people or places as much as you do. I really hope you don’t teach your child to be a judgemental jerk like you. OH! How about you move to the Middle East where they want women to have no say in life or in anything they do. Cover her from head to toe…only her eyes showing. You’d be more comfortable there. I bet you won’t be so offended over there!

    We use sex to sell wings? I think it’s funny. We have had more women come in than men lately. These women don’t want sex. They want wings, sandwiches, salads and good drinks. So what would we be using when it’s women buying things from us?

  144. Kel1 November 28th, 2007 4:08 pm

    Wow, and here it goes again…no one’s called anyone names except for the people who are FOR Hooters here. We’re being called judgmental jerks and stupid, and so far, I haven’t called anyone a name that I can recall. Let’s not get personal here. Let’s try and stick to the issues, ok? ;)

    Referring to the post above: Actually, what offends me is the objectification of women, be it in a Middle Eastern country where they are regarded as property to be covered up…or in America, where they are regarded as property to be used to sell a product, etc. The exploitation of women exists in many forms in the world today. And I don’t quite understand how you go from comparing wearing a revealing outfit in a restaurant to wearing a burka. I believe there is a lot of room between those two wardrobe choices.

    The information obtained regarding the “handbook” at Hooters is from here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0915051hooters1.html

    Maybe you could check out their site. They are pretty well-known. Perhaps being exposed on that website caused them to change their handbook?? I don’t really know. I was asking.

    I’m curious now as to what these “new” uniforms may look like, since you mentioned them earlier, implying that if we disliked the current ones, we would probably have even more to say about the new ones. Hmmm…

    There are women who work at Hooters, and there are women who will go to Hooters. And there are women like many of us here, who would rather not, and who see establishments of that sort as a detriment to their neighborhoods.

  145. Priscilla November 29th, 2007 2:49 am

    Lets not get personal? You’re attacking the place that I work. Not to mention the others saying it’s slutty. So excuse me for taking it personally. If I were to say negative things about the place you work I’m sure you’d get a little upset too. Especially if you like your job. Perhaps like most things you find on the internet, especially controversial things like Hooters, people make things up. For someone who WORKS for them and has the handbook and who knows that that was NEVER in the handbook I’m going to say SmokingGuns.com is making crap up. Or whoever gave them that handbook. Hooters isn’t the type of company that would back down from anything, let alone change something just because people don’t like it. If that were the case, Hooters wouldn’t exsist.

    You think that Hooters is damaging your neighborhoods? If your daughters want to be cheerleaders are you going to stop them? They wear little skirts and tank tops. They wear make up. They do their hair. And you KNOW guys love cheerleaders. So will you deny them of that too? Along with pageants and the beach?

    As for the new uniforms, I was being sarcastic. We are getting new uniforms in 2008 sometime. They’re being tested in certain stores to see if the CUSTOMERS like them. But I’m sure they won’t please you all either. We should probably just wear jogging pants and sweat shirts to work. I pretty much bet that no matter what we wear to work people will buy the same amount of stuff. People would still come in. People will still love Hooters and the environment that they’re in.

    Did you know that on Sundays it’s a day at Hooters just for the kids? And when families bring their kids in they eat free. And we play games with them. Give them balloons. Hula hoop with them. Make them HAPPY. Well, pretty much everyday we do that when kids come in. But that doesn’t matter. Because we’re wearing tank tops and shorts. Like their mothers and sisters and brother and fathers wear. But we wear them to work….that’s the only difference.

  146. Priscilla November 29th, 2007 2:53 am

    When you judge someone you don’t define them, you define yourself.

    …just throwing that one out there…

  147. gretchen November 29th, 2007 8:38 am

    “When you judge someone you don™t define them, you define yourself.”

    Precisely. I would gladly define myself as one who stands up for her values.

    As for your previous comments, I’m still not getting it. So you entice kids into the restaurant with fun and balloons? Child predators do the same things. Political parties give my kids balloons, too. That doesn’t mean I have to vote for them.

    If the adults want to go to Hooters – that’s fine. But let’s leave the kids out of it. They are bombarded with enough sexual images these days.

    And for what it’s worth, so far no one has mentioned (at least I don’t think they have – I don’t have time to go back through 150+ messages) that there are MEN who think the same way we do. In other words, we women who are taking a stand against the image of Hooters are not the only ones who object to their marketing strategy. There are men out there who refuse to patronize a Hooters restaurant for the same reasons we do. We are not a bunch of insecure, ugly and jealous women. We simply object to referring to women as “tacky and unrefined” and teaching them to use sex to sell products and so do those men.

    And yes, I do object to cheerleading and pageants on various levels. Regardless of whether my kids choose to participate in those types of activities, I will be teaching them to value themselves for who they are and not what they look like.

  148. lkh November 29th, 2007 3:32 pm

    I’m glad to see that gretchen is back, maybe she can finally comment on something that she has oh-so-delightfully ignored.

    You have been going on about how you think that men should respect women, and shouldn’t value them for their bodies, and fun stuff like that. Yet,when you tell your daughter in the car that “Hooters is a restaurant that hires only attractive women with big boobs to serve the food.” Instead of showing disgust, or at the very least, curiosity, she says “Oh. Daddy would probably like that.”

    Really?

    You’re out here pimping your morals on everyone, but you can’t even make them stick with your own daughter and husband. Hypocrite much?

  149. Kel1 November 29th, 2007 4:02 pm

    First of all, who is the hypocrite here? I don’t believe that Gretchen is a hypocrite. She is not responsible for the comments her daughter made, nor is she responsible for what may or may NOT be her husband’s thoughts and/or actions.

    She, like all of us, is responsible for her OWN ideals, and she has children–so it is her responsibility to pass on to them the truth of the world as she sees it. It is her job to attempt to counteract the cultural “norms” with which she may disagree. (i.e.–valuing women based on appearances only)

    Her children, like all of us, will grow up and make their own choices, based on their own experiences and beliefs as well as the teachings of their parents. It was my mom’s job to teach me her morals and live them out through word and deed. She did so. It isn’t her responsibility to make my decisions for me as an adult, and she can’t think for me…but she did her best to pass on her values.

    And for the record, you have no idea what Gretchen’s daughter’s morals are, nor her husband’s. You are deducing this from one tongue-in-cheek comment that was made in the post.

    The thing I don’t get is this: why is it that when we oppose something, we’re somehow “pimping” or “forcing” our morals on others?? It’s like many other social arguments today–the opposing viewpoint is falsely smeared as “hypocritical.”

    And for the record, this is Gretchen’s site, so if she wants to “pimp” a viewpoint, she can do it.

  150. lkh November 29th, 2007 4:36 pm

    I believe, that for a 10-year-old daughter, yes, Gretchen has a large responsibility for her views on the world.

    You talk about how your mom taught you morals, but now you’re an adult and can make your own choices. Gretchen’s daughter ISN’T an adult. She’s ten!

    I’m not “falsely smearing” you as hypocritcal. But yes – people are telling me that they wouldn’t allow their daughters to participate in beauty pageants, wearing bikinis, showing their bodies, cheerleading, or working at Hooters, and say that they teach their children proper morals about society. But then the FIRST THING that their daughter says when hearing that Hooters only hires attractive women with big boobs, ponders that her father would really enjoy it. Yes, to me this is hypocritical. How dare you make judgments about other people, their morals, and their life decisions, when the morals that you preach and teach aren’t followed by your daughter and husband?

    That’s hypocritical.

  151. Priscilla November 29th, 2007 6:40 pm

    OH YES WE ENTICE CHILDREN IN! WE MAKE THEM PULL THEIR PARENTS CARS OVER INTO HOOTERS! Wow, what a silly statement. You’re comparing us to child predators. I’m sure the mothers that work at Hooters would have a word or two for you about that comment. I think that was a little un-called for.
    And for you to tell your daughter, “Hooters is a restaurant that hires only attractive women with big boobs to serve the food” is just bad on your part. You could have selected your words better. And for her to say that her daddy would like that means she’s learning it from somewhere. So why is it that Hooters is being attacked when your daughter obviously knew what her father would like before knowing what Hooters was? One would have to ask, what’s she being taught at home and around her if she knows that her daddy loves big boobs…?

  152. gretchen November 29th, 2007 6:58 pm

    My daughter is very smart. She also lives in the real world. She goes to public school. She watches TV, visits friends and goes to the movies. While we do limit what she watches and some of her extracurricular activities, she is not sheltered from other people’s opinions and the influence of the media. What a child may say or do is not always a reflection of the parent. She picks things up at school or from a tv show. We talk about those things daily and how they affect us. Her comments prompted a teaching moment for me to explain that women should be valued for more than looks.

  153. Priscilla November 30th, 2007 4:13 am

    Well the real world is FULL of beautiful big breasted women! Is she gonna grow up to dislike them and run against them like her mother has taught her? Why should you limit her from extracurricular activities? Why do you feel the need to hold her back? Are you scared she’s going to grow up with her own opinion? That she’s going to think women that use their looks for their advantage are smarter than you let on. That she might actually one day want to be in a pageant or be a cheerleader. Or dare I say, A HOOTERS GIRL!?! What will you say then? If your daughter goes off to college and wants to be a Hooters Girl, what will you say then? The same crass remarks you said about us now…?

  154. Priscilla November 30th, 2007 4:15 am

    a teaching moment…you taught her what by using, “Hooters is a restaurant that hires only attractive women with big boobs to serve the food.” What exactly did you teach her by defining it this way…?

  155. allichick November 30th, 2007 5:31 pm

    do you relize only the people that work at hooters are getting offended,but seriously though :”Hooters is a restaurant that hires only attractive women with big boobs to serve the food.” What exactly did you teach her by defining it this way¦?”

    I think she taught her what the store is about
    I mean why does the store have to be named ‘hooters” why not change the name?why do only women serve the food if the food is SOOO good that the custemrs will come back?think about it that is what attracts bussniess right?

    I’m only 13 but why sould women be used like a colleters doll (mening why soid we be juged by the way we look)and I really don’t see the point in bikiens I mean why walk around alomst naked in front of people?
    And like Gretechen said she’s not trying to protest she’s trying to make a point.Please don’t take this offenseive but think about what I said don’t go typing with anger or anything like that but if you don’t see the point of not being treated like a doll what is the point of trying to convice you?
    @};-@};-@};-

  156. Priscilla December 1st, 2007 2:33 am

    When you’re old enough to have a job, especially a job you LIKE you’ll understand. Until then you’ll just continue riding that bandwagon.
    I’m not going to argue with a 13 year old over something she knows nothing about.

  157. gretchen December 4th, 2007 11:54 am

    I think allchick has her head on straight and should be commended for expressing her point of view so clearly.

    I simply told my child “the way it is”. I see nothing wrong with that. I teach my children modesty and what is appropriate. Even beach attire has limitations in our household – the keyword here being “modesty”.

    Hooters is not an appropriate venue for children no matter how much “fun” you make it. They are still being exposed to sexual images and innuendos. We censor what our kids watch on tv and what they listen to on the radio because some of the material is not appropriate for them to see or hear. Restaurants such as Hooters are no different.

  158. Priscilla December 11th, 2007 1:29 am

    I love the fact that you all focus on the ‘negative’ things about Hooters. I bet that you don’t know that out of ALL the organizations that raise money for breast cancer research, Hooters is 2nd place to donating and raising money for that, in the WORLD. And that for Christmas every year, we raise millions of dollars for our “Bykes for Tykes” program. But still we’re not good enough for children to be around. I bet if you were to get breast cancer, you’d probably think twice about shooting off at the mouth about us considering we’re the ones contributing the most for that research. But whatever. Keep focusing on the negative things. Maybe one day you’ll see the positives. And if you think your kids are going to be exposed to sexual images, you’re crazy. Sex is part of life. and your kids, believe it or not WILL think about it. and it won’t be because of some restaurant.

  159. gretchen December 11th, 2007 9:03 am

    Most of the tobacco companies contribute to cancer research and children’s programs as well. Should I start smoking a couple packs of cigarettes a day to support them?

    And I’m really not getting this whole mentality of “well they’re going to be exposed to it anyway so just deal with it”. My kids will also be exposed to drugs, alcohol and pornography before they graduate from high school. Should I just ignore it as “a part of life” and not bother to educate them on the dangers of these activities? Why on earth should we stand by and just let these things happen to our children? I don’t get it. Doesn’t anyone stand up for what they believe in anymore? :-??

  160. lkh December 11th, 2007 3:48 pm

    There’s a difference between “educating [children] on the dangers” of activities, and promoting unjust and biased hate against individuals. You aren’t educating your child against the dangers of body image by saying that Hooters only hires “attractive women with big boobs”. That’s promoting hate.

  161. gretchen December 11th, 2007 4:00 pm

    Am I not stating fact here? Doesn’t Hooters hire attractive women and aren’t boobs the focal point of the restaurant? Is it not named “Hooters” for a reason? :o

    Educating my daughter on being valued for her abilities instead of her looks is not a hate crime.

  162. Kel1 December 11th, 2007 4:01 pm

    You know what? I think those of us on the anti-Hooters-type-establishment argument have been pretty reasonable.

    We ourselves have been labeled as likely “ugly, flat chested” and pathetic individuals by those of you on the pro-Hooters side. We’ve not personally attacked anyone.

    No one here is teaching children to hate other individuals. We are teaching them to have self-respect and not to support businesses that would choose to exploit the female body for its own profit.

    The way we choose to do that is by telling them the truth about establishments that exploit women.

    I’m goint to reiterate some things that have been said earlier: I referred to the Smoking Gun website where they state they have a copy of the “handbook” (though some here claim it isn’t true, take it up with THAT website), and this “handbook” says that innuendo and joking about the female body is commonplace…and I quote from the Hooters menu itself:

    “Training Burgers” (small version of the following),
    the “More than a Mouthful Burger”,
    and the “Double “D” (Double Decker) Burger”

    Again. Those who have NO point to make, accuse the other side of HATE.

  163. Safia December 26th, 2007 3:21 am

    I’m a 3rd year college student who has never considered working at Hooters until a few days ago. In fact, I even had doubts upon walking inside as to whether or not I could bring myself to put on the uniform of the Hooter girls. They were beautiful girls, though, and their attitudes towards me were very “delightful” and, at the time, I was just there to take up space and fill out an application! Their attitudes were also surprising to me because I am an “attention getter” who usually receives the cold shoulder from other women.

    I was indecisive so, did some research on the restaurant and the more I learned, the more confused I became. I won’t lie, I loved the sisterhood that seemed to live in that establishment and I am also an advocate for the “sex appeal” concept even though I was particularly raised to be modest. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed at the level the store took this sex theme. The porn-like sites, the magazine, etc, all seemed like a greedy move on the corporate end. They saw something that made money and ran FAST and HARD with it instead of playing it cool. Especially with the contraversy at stake. And that is exactly why I believe Hooters strives so hard in its Hooter’s Fund raising, so that it will serve as additional justification for the over-the-edge (in my opinion) promotions in which it partakes.

    Despite my opinions by that point of view, I honestly believe that Hooters is a fun and benefitial place to work. I’ve waited tables before but NEVER was I able to sit down with customers. I’m outgoing and think it would serve as a great opportunity to practice communication skills that are crucial to my career goal. Plus, I naturally enjoy being sexy despite my conservative upbringing. It will just be a new experience w/ the “shorts” part.

    Therefore, from the mixed views of a potential Hooters girl (2nd interview tomorrow!!), I will leave you with this; having common beauty is a gift. Admit it or not, YOU want to have a child that MOST people consider attractive for a number of reasons. Are you superficial? NO. You are a person raised in America. Period, enough said. If you’re attractive and MONEY is your motivation at a certain point in your life, Hooters may be very good to you. If not, don’t show, and I will never know about you. But if I’m hired and you come to my job talking shit about the decision that “I” made as a woman over 18, I’ll reply w/ a smile, “I completely agree with you. Is there anything else I can get for you this evening?”

  164. Sop December 27th, 2007 8:31 am

    Hey! I’m just athletic anyway and I think the outfits are cute! YAY!!!

  165. DANCER1 December 27th, 2007 4:02 pm

    Whatever :(

  166. gretchen December 28th, 2007 11:05 am

    @Safia – are you telling me that you are disappointed with Hooters and their “sex theme” but you’re going to do it for the money anyway? :o

  167. Safia December 28th, 2007 2:16 pm

    No Gretch, actually I declined. I wouldn’t even walk around the apt I share w/ my bro in that uniform, let alone in PUBLIC!! I thought working w/ other beauties would be fun. Then I went on to read about how girls get their butts smacked and made fun of. Not only that, I checked out photos of Hooter Girls on duty and there were photos of the women’s asses when they weren’t looking and then they had the girls take a front shot smiling like idiots! I bet they got a good laugh but the saddest part is that the girls probably wouldn’t care anyway b/c they’re used to it AND some take the time to actually bend over especially for the camera. I was warned of that during my interview and even then I couldn’t get the nerve to tell the manager that I “LIKED” the uniform, which is what he needed to hear. He NEEDED to hear that I was OK with SEXUAL HARASSMENT!! I guess its true what they say; everybody doesn’t have what it takes to be a “Hooters Girl.”

  168. gretchen December 28th, 2007 2:30 pm

    Wow! :o Safia – thanks for the follow up response. That says a lot! Kudos to you for declining the offer. =d>

  169. Safia December 28th, 2007 2:32 pm

    But still, I have a friend that works there and she’s harmless. A little lost, but harmless nonetheless…So I wouldn’t go judging the girls because there are woman walking around your husbands, fiance’s, and boyfriends dressed like that along with that same mentality of “I’m Sexy and you want me” but they just don’t slap a brand name on it. Don’t be weary of HOOTERS if you want to protect your daughter because its is just a small sample of the problem. For SUFFICIENT child protection, I would get the hell out of America.

  170. gretchen December 28th, 2007 2:34 pm

    LOL – I hear ya. ;)

  171. Rachel December 29th, 2007 2:04 am

    You know, it’s a job. Most women who work at Hooters and other places of the sort (I’m from Bloomington, there is a wing place called Mugsy’s that is ‘like’ a local Hooter’s) work there, because they need money. They know they can make a lot of money under these conditions. And yes, women can and do work under these conditions. Although the Hooter’s girl may be stereotyped as easy or containing a lack of self worth, that is not true. Working at Hooter’s IS an esteem builder, while it is a way of learning how to stick up for yourself as women as well. Many compromising situations arise in which a woman has to decide…in character…or straighten this sexist pig up? I can hardly believe that any of my coworkers would stay in character. Absolutely not. There are more places besides Hooters that profiles and stereotypes their workers based on their restaurant/business image; however, a lot of these places go unsaid. Hooter’s specifies certain conditions under which waitresses/hostesses make look and looking good happens to be one of them. In the end, it is a job. Men look at women, and visa versa. Maybe you or someone else should franchise a restaurant called Balls?

  172. gretchen December 29th, 2007 12:46 pm

    Rachel – based on your argument, prostitution would be an “esteem-building” career. You can make a lot of money at it, you’d have to put up with sexist men and learn how to stick up for yourself if you want to survive. Hey – it’s just a job, right?

    Let me think about that for a sec…um…no thanks. :-?

    As for “Balls” – again – no thanks. I wouldn’t patronize a place like that for the same reasons I am opposed to Hooters. Turning the tables doesn’t make it right.

  173. lkh December 29th, 2007 4:31 pm

    Gretchen – you’ve refused to answer my questions. Unless your daughter (whose moral upbringing is in severe question*) enters a nunnery, have fun watching her grown into a beautiful and sexual woman.

    You are a mean and rude hypocrite. Kindly, shut the f*** up. And please, take me off your mailing list. I don’t need to be lectured by someone who has the maturity of a five-year-old boy and the morals of a Puritan from the 18th century

    *Her first thought on your blatant lie about Hooters (“They only hire attractive women with big boobs”) is that her Daddy would like it there? Kudos.

  174. gretchen December 29th, 2007 6:40 pm

    lkh – what questions am I not answering? :-??

  175. jeb December 31st, 2007 3:58 pm

    Hello Gretchen. This is how you could have responded to your daughter. “What is Hooters?” Well, honey, I really don’t know too much about it because I’ve never really been there–I’m just projecting my issues onto something I know nothing about. And my guts tell me it’s a place where attractive women are degraded by sexist men for money.

    As someone who has visited Hooters several times, I can tell you you™re dead wrong in your perception. For one, Hooters girls are not all big-busted glamour girls. Some are thin and quite flat on top, while others are probably a bit overweight. Some are not really all that physically attractive. What is true of most of them, however, is that they are highly motivated, friendly, charming, and take the time to make sure each customer has fun. Generally they are college girls with their sights set on any number of professional careers (I met one recently who is almost done with her credential to be a firefighter–Girl’s can’t what??). Just being a Hooter’s girl requires dressing in their signature uniform, one that doesn’t even flatter the most gorgeous figure, so having a strong self image is definitely required.

    As in all walks of life, the most successful Hooters girls are the ones with a strong sense of self esteem and great at what they do. I know my favorite Hooters girls (and the ones who get the biggest tips) are not necessarily the most glamorous, but rather the ones with the most smarts and charm.

    I think, Gretchen, that if you took the time to actually visit with some Hooters girls you would find that they are on the same page as you regarding empowerment of women.

    What irritates me is that you frame the female sex appeal issue as a dichotomy between being sexy on the one hand AND being accomplished, warm, caring, and competent on the other. What I would challenge you to consider is that there are delightfully warm, caring, motivated women who are also physically sexy. If such a woman uses sex appeal in an occupation, it doesn’t take away from all her other wonderful more enduring female traits. This, in my view, should be the message to your daughter-to consider all women based on enduring values, but not to demonize a girl (such as a Hooters girl) who is working hard to better herself and establish a lasting professional career.

  176. gretchen December 31st, 2007 4:20 pm

    Jeb – I’m not “demonizing” the girls who work there. It’s the entire concept of “Hooters” that I despise. I could expand on that, but I would just be repeating what I have already stated in my comments above. It’s not the people, it’s their projected image of women that I am opposing.

  177. Kel1 December 31st, 2007 5:23 pm

    lkh, I went back and couldn’t find any questions actually addressed to Gretchen that weren’t rhetorical ones. So I’m clueless as to which questions she “refused” to answer. You answered all of your questions yourself in your posts.

    lkh said: “Same as if I was a fitness instructor, and trying to help people get into shape. My uniform for the job would be athletic and slim-fitting. It™s part of the job. It helps me do my work better. So, at least in my eyes, working at a resturant like Hooters is the same thing. There is a standard that you knowingly accept, and you dress accordingly.”

    Now, here’s the thing about that: there is a standard that you KNOWINGLY ACCEPT, and you dress accordingly. And WHY do women knowingly accept it? And HOW does it help them to do their jobs better?

    And Jeb, is working at Hooters “empowering” for women? Does it put them on “equal footing” with men? Does it help to promote the image of womanhood as one to be respected and held in high regard? (Unless you think of women only in terms of their physicality, then the answer is NO.)

    I first place blame on the culture and on establishments like Hooters who choose to promote such things (skimpy uniforms, calendar girls, sexual innuendo in the menus), but then I place blame on the woman who chooses to buy into it all (even though the culture is practically screaming at them “your appearance is REALLY what matters!”). Women pose nude (and or become strippers, etc.) for the same reasons they work at establishments like Hooters– “I’m working my way through college, and I need the money,” (as if there are no other available professions that pay as well) or somehow they wrongly think they are being “empowered” and that they are examples of how feminism has improved the world. Again, I disagree.

    I’m sure women get some feeling of “power” by having men lust after them, but is that really what the early feminists intended?? Not all power, including sexual power, should be wielded, nor is it beneficial. Just because one has power doesn’t mean that one should use that power without restraint.

    I found these definitions for “sexy”: “voluptuously sensual in appearance or behavior; marked by or tending to arouse sexual desire or interest.” So, the point here of being sexy is to arouse sexual desire in others?
    I think that we place far too much value on sexiness and not enough on simply being who we are, as women. I highly doubt that feminists Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton would be considered “sexy” by today’s standards, but they most definitely are women who earned the respect of many men. And they did it without compromising.

    I would think that a woman today, working in a predominantly male profession or otherwise, would like to be thought of for her knowledge and value and not for her sexiness.

    I didn’t realize that “sex appeal” was an “enduring value” of womankind, either, Jeb. Interesting. I guess that would mean that sexy women are valuable and not-so-sexy women aren’t quite as valuable?

    And Jeb, saying that the Hooters uniform doesn’t even flatter the most gorgeous figure is absolutely false. I also think that it might be helpful for you, Jeb, and for Priscilla and others here to read what Safia (who posted earlier) said about her actual Hooters interviews (since everyone thinks I’m lying about the Hooters handbook).

    Also, I’d like to know if anyone has actually LOOKED at the Hooters website here. I have posted links more than once, and it seems to me that people are just choosing to overlook the true “values” of the Hooters franchise.

  178. jeb January 1st, 2008 7:40 pm

    Hello Gretchen,

    Perhaps a better word than “demonize” would have been appropriate, but your responses certainly express no warmth toward women who choose to work at Hooters. You despise the concept of Hooters, making generalizations like, “Hooters does nothing but destroy self-image and feed the porn industry”, yet you have never been in the restaurant. This suggests to me your perception of Hooters is based not on fact, but on select information. And it sounds like that select information is the Hooters website, their advertising and the feedback of a disgruntled former Hooters applicant. I would again challenge you to visit Hooters and see if it doesn™t change your perception. I can guarantee you won™t see anything much resembling their ads, and certainly won™t see a throng of bikini clad glamour girls as featured in their calendars.

    To me the Hooters concept is simply one of having fun. If I were to answer the question, “What is Hooters?” I would say it is a restaurant where very motivated, outgoing young women with a solid sense of self esteem provide excellent customer service and maintain an atmosphere of fun. It™s as simple as that to me.

    But I don™t expect there to be any consensus on this issue any time soon. I may be wrong, but it appears to me that you, Gretchen and other critics of Hooters are simply projecting your own issues onto something you™ve never really had the courage to investigate with an open mind. You appear so emotionally invested in issues around women™s self image that you actually need your distorted concept of Hooters to support your dogmatic view. So it feels to me like no matter what the argument, you will not be swayed by any contradicting perspectives or, hells bells, to actually visit Hooters and see for yourself.

    Anyway, Kel1 asks, “¦ is working at Hooters “empowering” for women? Does it put them on “equal footing” with men? Does it help to promote the image of womanhood as one to be respected and held in high regard?” To the first question I would respond absolutely YES. All the evidence I have reviewed supports that Hooters is a good employer providing good tips & wages, benefits, flexible work schedules and tuition assistance to promote advanced education. Working at Hooters demands women work hard, maintain a fun attitude, and develop team work skills. Additionally the girls I have talked to personally all report a fun working environment where they participate in charity events to benefit the community. One university student told me Hooters is helping her develop a network of community and business contacts that will support her career goals. All of these attributes empower women on a number of levels. To the question about “equal footing” with men, the question implies one believe that women are inherently marginalized in our society in relation to men. I simply don™t believe that. I think women in general are much better at communication, empathy, and creativity than most men and thus are inherently superior with those skills. I believe that when the maternity leave/child care absentee issue is factored out, women receive identical compensation for doing the same job as men. Does Hooters promote the image of womanhood as one to be respected and held in high regard? Again the evidence I have seen supports YES. When I think about the essence of the Hooters girl it is all about a very motivated, fun woman with enough self confidence to be comfortable, even in a less than flattering uniform. In general, Hooters girls are goal oriented, juggling work and college responsibilities with an eye toward making lasting contributions in long term professional careers. While this is not the mold of Gretchen™s Tom Boy football playing perspective, in my eyes it is a powerful image of womanhood. If I had a daughter, I would be totally proud if she was selected as a Hooters girl.

  179. kel1 January 1st, 2008 9:53 pm

    Jeb said: “This suggests to me your perception of Hooters is based not on fact, but on select information. And it sounds like that select information is the Hooters website, their advertising and the feedback of a disgruntled former Hooters applicant.”

    Jeb, could you please explain to me how the Hooters OWN WEBSITE and ADVERTISING are not representative of “fact” about Hooters??? I believe the select information we have viewed is given by Hooters themselves. You make absolutely no sense on this point.

    “To me the Hooters concept is simply one of having fun.” Well, that’s nice for you, Jeb. But fun at what cost?? Apparently, patronizing a restaurant that thrives on innuendo and scantily clad waitresses who are paid to flirt is your idea of fun, and that’s fine. But let us not pretend that this is just like going to Chuck E. Cheese. /:)

    “I can guarantee you won™t see anything much resembling their ads, and certainly won™t see a throng of bikini clad glamour girls as featured in their calendars.” Okay, true, they’re not in bikinis in the restaurant. I think that Hooters has been featured in enough movies, TV shows and photographs, that we’ve seen how the waitresses dress.

    However, one only has to view the Hooters website (where they advertise Hooters magazine, full of Hooters girls in Playboy poses) to know that Hooters is INDEED feeding the porn industry. To deny that fact is to choose to be blind, Jeb. For whatever reason.

    “it appears to me that you, Gretchen and other critics of Hooters are simply projecting your own issues onto something you™ve never really had the courage to investigate with an open mind.” And what issues do you think those ARE, Jeb? Are you going to accuse us of being “unattractive” (like some others here have assumed) and therefore we are so jealous that we find the need to speak out against it? That’s your choice to believe that. You’d be way off base, but go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better. ;)

    “You appear so emotionally invested in issues around women™s self image that you actually need your distorted concept of Hooters to support your dogmatic view.”
    Again, I don’t see how we’ve distorted Hooters at all. It’s one step away from a strip club, one step away from the porn industry…and so forth. On the Original Hooters website, there are features such as “fun stuff” where one can view the “Girl of the Day.” (In a revealing bikini, to be sure.)
    Oh, yes, and then there’s the calendar. And the Calendar Girls’ tour schedule for signings. And the shop, where you too can own your very own pink lace tank top–or how about a shirt with a woman, spread-eagled, in a bikini on the front? It can be yours for about $16.
    And how about the menu? Copy and paste it… http://www.hooters.com/view_image.asp?image=Hooters_Menu_Page_1.jpg
    One can also read the history and founding of Hooters, which is very interesting…founded by six men. The quote on the site says, “What else brings a gleam to men’s eyes everywhere besides beer, chicken wings, and an occasional winning football season?” Yeah. It really says that.

    Also, Jeb, regarding women receiving equal pay: that’s absolutely false. http://www.pay-equity.org/info.html
    This site says it will take 50 years or so for women to equal men in pay, at the rate we’re going.

    You talk about these women having the self confidence to be comfortable “even in a less than flattering uniform.” You speak of these uniforms as if they were hair nets and aprons! Not even close. And how nice that they have to build up their confidence to such a level that they are comfortable with the company’s environment of innuendo, and that they realize they’re only there so that men can get that “gleam in their eye” when they’re around.

    Thanks for enlightening us, Jeb. And you’re right–we’ll never agree on this. (By the way, it’s not just other women who see these establishments as detrimental to true feminism. There are men as well. You’re just not one of them.)

  180. jeb January 2nd, 2008 11:41 pm

    Hello Kel1 and Gretchen, I think I’ve got it! I’ll invite you two ladies out to Hooters, everything is on me. Priscilla and her co-workers can show us a good time (you ladies aren’t afraid to have fun are you?) and you two can inquire into whatever you really wanted to find out about Hooters. I will want to know what kind of second degree Priscilla is finishing and what she and the other girls are doing with their lives besides serving chicken wings. And maybe, just maybe, if everything works out right Gretchen may feature Priscilla as a featured post: Girls Can’t What?? Be physically attractive and have incredible substance as a strong, determined, delightful woman.

    Let me know……jeb.

  181. gretchen January 3rd, 2008 11:45 am

    Jeb – we’ve been down that road already. The answer is still thanks, but no thanks. [-(

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  183. jeb January 5th, 2008 2:54 pm

    Hello Kel1. You think I make no sense on my point about you having a distorted view of Hooters since you have only looked on their website. Here™s your exact response: “Jeb, could you please explain to me how the Hooters OWN WEBSITE and ADVERTISING are not representative of “fact” about Hooters??? I believe the select information we have viewed is given by Hooters themselves. You make absolutely no sense on this point.”

    It™s simple, Kel1. It™s advertising. It™s like the difference between the McDonald™s hamburger you see on a billboard and the one you put back together when you take it out of the wrapper. Look at it this way. Both Hooters and Fortune Magazine report there are 15,000 Hooters girls worldwide. According to the 2008 Hooters calendar ads, 180 girls are featured in this year™s calendar. This suggests to me that somewhere between 1 and 2% of the most attractive Hooters girls in the world are featured in their calendars, on menus, etc. My point is that your perception of Hooters is invalid because you™ve only seen the glamorous pinup variety, featured in bikinis as well as uniforms. What I™m telling you is that first of all you won™t see any girls in a bikini at your local Hooters. Secondly, you will find girls who range in attractiveness, but rarely rival the ones featured in calendars and ads. What is true is that you will find the girls to be generally outgoing and fun to be around, which is what makes Hooters an attractive place.

    By the way Kel1, I couldn’t find that Hooters shirt with the woman spread-eagled on the front. Where is that? Also, I should let you know I™m quite attracted to women who are passionate about what they believe and can articulate it well in writing. After reading a few of your responses and doing all this research on the Hooters site you posted, I™m wondering if Gretchen might start to restrict your submissions. After all, she wouldn™t want you to fuel the porn industry.

    Later¦¦..jeb

  184. Kel1 January 5th, 2008 6:11 pm

    “Also, I should let you know I™m quite attracted to women who are passionate about what they believe and can articulate it well in writing. After reading a few of your responses and doing all this research on the Hooters site you posted, I™m wondering if Gretchen might start to restrict your submissions. After all, she wouldn™t want you to fuel the porn industry.”

    :)) Well, jeb, thanks for the “compliment” but I’m already taken. ;) And I don’t see how using my brain is in any way fueling the porn industry. “Porneia” is the Greek word for “sexual immorality”. It is where the word “porn” comes from. Notice it refers to things of a “sexual” nature, not one’s brain power.

    And jeb, I really think you’ve missed the point here. You are the one who keeps bringing ALL of this back to how the outfits aren’t flattering on all the Hooters girls, and how only a small percentage of them are essentially “attractive enough” to pose for the calendar. If I were a Hooters girl who thought myself to be pretty “hawt” I think I’d be insulted by you. :D And I’ve seen the outfits they actually wear at Hooters. They’re in the menu that I linked, and you know that. ;) (As for the t-shirt, it is there, in case you want to buy it. You just have to look a little harder. And I’m sure you will.)

    Bottom line, jeb, you’ve proven the point that you pay attention to the attractiveness or “unattractiveness” of these women on a pretty regular basis. And what I’m saying is, I don’t see how that is necessarily the best thing for women or men. Is lust natural? Yes. But is it always beneficial? If you think so, I’d challenge you to really research the effect that the porn industry had on men like Ted Bundy, and others who are in prison today for crimes against women. They’ve objectified women, can’t have “normal” relationships with them, and THAT is the problem.

    You’ve just said most Hooters girls AREN’T attractive enough to pose in their bikinis, and for a society (and establishments like Hooters) who place a woman’s sexiness above all else, that could be pretty damaging to a girl’s self-esteem. Especially if she is relying on her looks to get her somewhere in this world.

    And really, jeb–comparing these women to hamburgers out of their wrapping? Come on. Are they really like those pieces of meat? Hmm?

  185. gretchen January 5th, 2008 8:27 pm

    I know men who are attracted to female drummers and bookworms, so I guess that makes me a porn star. :-?
    Give me a break.

    Now, just for kicks… if the “real” Hooters is just a family restaurant that attracts customers because they hire “the girl next door” who has a great personality, then they can certainly drop the “unflattering” uniform and let the women wear regular attire like servers at other family restaurants do, and they won’t mind removing the innuendos and sex-kitten photos from their menu, oh and then changing the name of the restaurant to something that isn’t a slang term for female anatomy won’t be a problem either.

  186. Kel1 January 5th, 2008 8:30 pm

    Gretchen, I think that sounds reasonable. :D

  187. lkh January 5th, 2008 9:16 pm

    Take me off this please.

  188. gretchen January 5th, 2008 9:30 pm

    As you wish… If you are a registered user and you are logged in, you should see a link at the bottom of the comment box that says “manage my subscriptions” where you can make the changes yourself. If you are not registered, you will need to email me (use the contact tab at the top of this page) and tell me which email address you used for the subscription. At the moment, the email address listed in your last comment does not match any in the database for this thread. Thanks. :)>-

  189. allichick January 6th, 2008 1:37 am

    “Hooters” From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    _________________________________________________
    I went to the website and then clicked subcribe when the page came on it looked like something form a playboy magazine. I am not trying to insult any of you but I got this information from the Wiktopidia and some other sites incuding the offical one (sorry about the spelling)and they all said the same thing and from the pictures I saw what is not insulting to women?(agian not trying to insult you)

    So your telling me I can get a job basided on my lookes and that just becouse I stand up agianst something I strongly belive in,I am some kind of “jelouse,ugly,flat chested persone that is dumb and don’t know what I am saying just becouse of my age/or opione’.Really why must we be juged by our looks or gender?
    Like the girls cant play football thing,why must we be juged on our gender and our looks.

    Do us girls really want to put ourselvs in those kind’s of situation’s
    where people see use as “easy,ugly,or some kind of sexist idea in where people have to use there “power” to gain something and I don’t mean it in a good way.
    ……..Is that what you wanted to teach use girls?to use your “power” over something to gain for yourself?
    To work somplace where you can gain alot of money faster and it doesn’t cost you a thing?
    Is it to learn that if we are “pretty” we can still get a job and we dont need school(I know that you are NOT trying to say that)
    Is it that acting “sexy” will boost your self esteem and more guys WILL look at you(note:LOOK,and think,and try to touch.Sound good to you?)
    And that there is nothing wrong with being half naked in front of people you don’t even know?
    (bikkins)

    Is it that being pretty on the outside the only thing that will get me through in life?(or to attract a husband,get a job,and make more friends,etc..)Like those T-shirts that say
    “who needs a brain when I got these?”

    OK OK,I get the message “it is good for you to do all that,plus we do good things so we sould just ignore the negitive things and foucus on the other stuff like our donations and the food,aren’t those neaT!
    :d:d..YES! OF COURSE!!!But mommy when will I get hooters?Lets go shopping!I dont want to be a princess anymore (nor do I want to be a female president,poilce officer,firefighter,astranot(SP)
    ,cowgirl,singer,etc) I want to be a HOOOOOOOTTERRRRS GIRL! I want to pass out pretty ballons,and wear those cool cloth,donate to people and smile like a hooters girl! I also want to be like that pretty lady DADDY was looking at!
    MOM:I am so proud :-s Lets go to hooters tomarrw and celibrate!!!!
    GIRL:YAYYYYY!!! DADDY were are joing to hootres tomarraw agian!…..mommmy
    MOM:yes dear?
    KID:why is daddy over there taking to the pretty lady he was looking at?Isn’t the car over here?
    MOM:……..
    KID:….mommy can I ask you a question?
    MOM:(still looking at the dad) HuH?OH..Yes you can.
    KID:what are hooters?
    MOM:…..I will tell you later lets go
    KId:mommy?
    MOM:Yes dear
    KID:where did daddy go I don’t see him anymore?!!!

    ____THE END
    ….I have no idea why I did that
    …………………………………
    I blame the dad
    (:|(:|:o:-s:-s

  190. allichick January 6th, 2008 1:40 am

    ..or me

  191. Breakfastattristans January 7th, 2008 1:40 am

    Hello…

    I just came across this site while doing research about Hooters. I am a college student & I applied to work at a local college town Hooters today & was looking for some information about the different viewpoints on the restaurant.

    Honestly, initially I was offended by those whose opinions were that those working at Hooters were “..one step away from stripping.”. I do not like or agree with those opinions of the girls that do work there as mindless, ignorant, destructive or uneducated. Strippers are strippers… or as wikipedia puts it “A striptease or exotic dance is a form of erotic entertainment, usually a dance, in which the performer, known as a “STRIPPER”, gradually undresses to music.The “teasing” part involves the slowness of undressing, while the audience is eager to see more nudity.”
    Now I ask you as a College student two semesters away from getting my Bachelors Degree in Sociology from a very prestigious university… if I worked at Hooters do you REALLY and TRULY see me stripping at a strip club? The answer is ‘NO’ and laughably so. For if this indeed was the case would I not be in school but be a stripper or a prostitute already? Its ludicrous… and I resent broad, silly and ignorant filled statements such as that one. Yes you have the right to not support whoever you would like, you also have the right to teach your children whatever you like… but please do not pass such broad and pigeon holed statements off as fact or a valid and truly supported belief.

    I do not deem myself as pro or anti Hooters at this point. I am currently trying to find out truths and expressing myself in the process in my search to find out if I would be representing myself well by being a Hooters girl.

    I do however believe that this arguement over the uniform is silly. In all of the Hooters I have ever visited I have never gone into a Hooters and seen anything similar to the ridiculous pictures that had previously been painted for me. I personally have seen no t shirts overflowing with silicone filled fake breasts or any overly sexually charged behavior as I would think by reading and listening to some peoples opinions about Hooters. If anything, upon my first visit with my mother, I thought it looked like something out of a bad 80s movie. Something like a bad 80s take on those drive up restaurants with the waitresses on roller skates. From my first visit on I have thought of it as a cheesy 80s themed restaurant (and yes a lace where 68% of the customers are male). And there are lots of themed restaurants along with sports bars and such equipped with comparable attire. In my visits to Hooters the waitresses have been more busy rushing out food and checking on customers than acting like sex kittens. Ive seen the lady in flash dance, worn less on a tennis court myself, or Hell… seen people walk around with less clothes.

    Other restaurants have similar dress (as far as short shorts and t shirts go) and while they may not be seeking to market off of the attire… the aim is the same. As is the same in restaurants where a waitress is completely covered… Profiting off of the fact that you are of the opposite sex. And in fact waitresses and waiters a like play up that fact… whether it be paying a little extra attention to that all male/female table or being a little extra outgoing. (Ive seen many of these occurences first hand… as I was trained in the past I was given pointers for better tips.)

    Some say the uniform is too sexy, others say it is fine, and still others say it is cheesy & unflattering.

    To those that say it is too sexy I will say the same thing when older adults comment on the latest fashion trends.. and how scanty they perceive them to be. ‘Fashion is a meer regurgitation of past fashions… And Mom.. didnt I see a picture of you in a mighty short baby doll dress??’ : p It may not be with the same intentions as Hooters but I think and hope u catch my drift. Being a restaurant set in the 80s I would think people would think of it as more tongue and cheek… a tacky look on a time.. than a threat to feminine empowerment.

    Now while I say alllll of this… I have read just about every response to this entry and did find some very interesting and shared valid points. Upon navigating around the Hooters website.. I was turned off by the Hooters calanders and high levels they took the so called “sex appeal” of the restaurant to. On THIS end is where I believe the strong dissaproval should look upon. This whole SEX sells by any means concept must be rehashed. As I will agree women often become victims of this market more often than partners or profiters.

    This being said, if I do indeed go on my interview and a manager says to me that I will just have to simply endure any and every man’s piggish comments and any sexual harrassing behavior… and that that type of behavior is welcomed… and will go without consequence of a manager speaking to the customer or anything else. That would show me that they do not value or protect their employees specifically females & I would gladly walk out with resume in hand off to another establishment.

    Bottom line I have enough respect for myself and other women to make my own throughly well thought out decisions and will not accept being deemed as otherwise.

  192. gretchen January 7th, 2008 8:30 am

    Breakfastattristans – thanks for the thorough response and for taking the time to read through the thread first. It’s getting SO long!

    I think you have helped make our point clear. We are not opposed to anyone who chooses to work there. We are opposed to the sexual images and innuendos that Hooters pushes. Saying that women often become “victims of the market” is exactly what I’m saying. Sometimes we realize we’re being victimized and other times we don’t.

    Thank you for sharing your experiences and please feel free to post back and let us know what you decide. :)>-

  193. Phoenix January 11th, 2008 2:49 am

    Honestly, to be up front, I’ve had three friends work there and they’ve all attributed it to money. I’d also like to note that all three of them enjoyed their jobs. Two of them, in fact, worked there for the entirety of college and are loan- and debt- free. I think that says a lot. I think a lot of people think that Hooters is equivalent to prostitution. I disagree. However, even if that’s what you think, I would like to note that many different sects of feminism have embraced sex workers. It’s not illegitimate. It’s a choice. Yes, I am sure there are a lot of busty blondes with nothing upstairs working at your friendly neighborhood Hooter’s establishment. But please don’t criticize the young women who not only see nothing wrong with working there, but choose to, and enjoy themselves. Just because you don’t agree does not justify your calling them glorified prostitutes or any such derogatory name.

    Reading things like this always saddens me, because I realize just how unjustifiably catty and petty many people can be. Everyone is entitled to a personal opinion, but I believe that there are better ways to frame your discussion. And keep in mind that the young women who choose to work there are doing just that… choosing. Regardless of your agreement. (And I’d like to point out that all three of my friends got tuition reimbursements and scholarships; one of them got a higher internship position which led to her being hired at another corporation, etc.) Please don’t knock other people’s lifesyle choices without giving equal coverage to their perspective, especially if you have never been in one, spoken to someone who worked there, or bothered to look at the many (both negative and positive) aspects of being “a Hooters girl.”

  194. Kel1 January 11th, 2008 4:03 pm

    I just noticed something. Those who choose to post and act as if many of us have somehow “insulted” Hooters girls by making derogatory statements about them, would you please QUOTE those statements?? I think you’re all reading a lot into that. For instance, Phoenix just said:
    “But please don™t criticize the young women who not only see nothing wrong with working there, but choose to, and enjoy themselves. Just because you don™t agree does not justify your calling them glorified prostitutes or any such derogatory name.”
    We’ve said that the Hooters philosophy is ONE STEP AWAY from a strip club. I’ve not said the Hooters girls were strippers and/or prostitutes. Nor would I ever DREAM of calling one a “glorified prostitute.” In my opinion, that statement is an oxymoron to begin with, so why would I use it??

    “Please don™t knock other people™s lifesyle choices without giving equal coverage to their perspective…”

    Well, I think that’s pretty much what we do when we state our opinions. This is a blog site. It’s Gretchen’s blog, and she stated HER opinion. Write your opinion in your own blog.
    (BTW, according to THIS argument, pro-choice websites should promote pro-life arguments on their websites and refer to pro-life pregnancy centers. Do they? I think you know the answer to that.) It always makes me laugh when people claim we’re “hurting feelings” and we shouldn’t state our opinions without “equal time.” This isn’t a televised political debate, for heaven’s sake.

    Phoenix, you also stated that your three friends all chose to work at Hooters primarily for the money. My question is, why is the $$ so much BETTER at Hooters than elsewhere? Why is the $$ received from a job at perhaps a more “conservative” restaurant (where the staff are dressed conservatively, I mean) LESS than at Hooters? Maybe the men who come there to ogle feel they should leave some extra money for services rendered if they liked the flirting and what they saw. I don’t know, I’m not a man.

    As for responses being “catty”–the only ones who have gotten “catty” are the ones who have personally insulted Gretchen or myself. Right down to the guy who told me I might be “promoting porn” because he was attracted to women who express themselves well in writing. Gosh, if that is the type of male comment we’re to expect HERE, how much “nicer” could it possibly be at a Hooters restaurant, where “joking” about females and their anatomy is commonplace?

  195. Mike January 13th, 2008 8:42 pm

    Anyone against Hooters and who wants to legislate morality is a moron

  196. D.L. Charmichael February 12th, 2008 11:22 am

    I think the people who rant and rave about Hooters without ever stepping inside the place are just pathetic! My fiance works at Hooters. She is also a model for Venus Swimwear. The funny thing is, she actually makes more money at the restaurant than she does as a model (In fact, she makes more than many engineers I know).

    And as far as the “Hooters Philosophy”, it would do to learn more before you spout about things in which you know not. If you’re talking Hooters franchisees, you may be right…they don’t apply the same regulations as the Corporate stores.

    My fiance works at a corporate store and is mandated that:
    No visible tattoos
    Shorts have to be long enough to provide complete coverage
    No inappropriate touching of or by customers.
    If shorts become too tight, a new pair must be purchased.
    Can not show too much clevage.
    No innapropriate language.

    All of these are in the bylaws of the company and are enforced by corporate “secret shoppers”. The Franchisees are a bit more liberal with the rules because they can get away with it.

    The entire premise of Hooters is a fun time..the waitresses sing, clap, hoola hoop, and just plain have fun with their job. I have a bit of advice for you people who believe your opinions and beliefs should be forced upon everybody else….If you don’t like the place, then just don’t go! Whether I prefer to go is my business and only mine.

    By the way, if you believe that the Hooters restaurant’s philosophy is immoral or “just a step away from a strip club” means that you’re saying the girls (my fiance included) are immoral and just a step away from strippers. So basically, you’re saying that about someone whom I love. I would love for you to come down to the Hooters of Huntsville, Al and say that… Please!

  197. D.L. Charmichael February 12th, 2008 11:32 am

    Just to be sure the air is clear here, my invitation to come down is no type of threat…it’s more of a challenge to prove what I have said wrong by actually coming into this store…and then see if you can still say the same about this place and its girls.

    Also…any customer who says or does anything innapropriate is first warned and then kicked out. The comments that are innapropriate in a say Red Lobster, are also innapropriate at Hooters.

    Thanks.

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  199. gretchen February 12th, 2008 12:05 pm

    I don’t think I am forcing anyone to bow to my views here…stating an opinion is not “legislating morality” nor is it “forcing” anything.

    And I still don’t see how sexual innuendos on a menu are “appropriate”. Hooters is not a family restaurant. I do not allow my children to watch tv with sexual content so I would not allow them to read a menu with such content.

    Hooters and Red Lobster have very different standards when it comes to what is deemed “appropriate”. The staff and customers at Hooters may have rules to follow in what they can say or do, but that does not in any way cancel out the imagery and implied messages that are visible both inside and outside the restaurant.

    And yes standards are a matter of opinion and taste, I suppose.

    May I suggest reading A Return to Modesty for more on that topic.

  200. Kel1 February 12th, 2008 3:01 pm

    Well, first we’re told that we’re pathetic by NOT going to a Hooters (and therefore, we’re not “allowed” to rant and rave about it ;) ) and THEN we’re told that we should just STAY AWAY if we don’t like it. Hmmm…conflicting messages? Yes, I’d say so. Not unlike the Hooters franchise.

    Perhaps I don’t like the Hooters establishments “opinions and beliefs” forced upon me and my family. Gimme a break. I’m not forcing my opinion on anyone. (How exactly does one FORCE an opinion on someone else??? I think that is a ridiculous statement in itself. You can’t FORCE anyone to believe what you believe…you put forth your best argument in order to get people to THINK.)

    And wow, I’m just amazed here at how much MONEY seems to be a factor in girls working at Hooters. If it didn’t pay so well, would it be so “fun and rewarding” for them? For a waitress to make more than an engineer is astounding to me. But that’s only if you look at Hooters as a “typical neighborhood restaurant” (which it isn’t). It proves my point that it really pays more comparably to a strip club. BTW, I DIDN’T call the girls who work there IMMORAL, I believe they are preyed upon by an industry which exploits them…to the point where they don’t even notice it anymore.

    AND…if the franchises can “get away with” things without corporate interference, then who knows what’s really going on at these places?

  201. Jill March 16th, 2008 4:25 pm

    I think this whole comments page is ridiculous. You have all talked so much about nothing that yo uhave contradicted yoruselfs. If a girl works at Hooters good for her. I have several friends that work there adn they are amazing people, who do very well for themselves. All of them are in school and earning degrees. To encourage yoru daughter that looks do not matter is giving her a flase pretense of the world. The inside is what is the most important, but she shoudl value her looks. Be proud of who she is. Take care of herself and feel proud when someone looks her way. If yo uahve trouble explaining to your daughter the truth abotu Hooters, it is a restraunt with girls wearing shorts and a tank top, than I would hate to see you struggle with some of the important conversations. I see less clothing at the gym or beach. I think that eveyrone just learn to appreciate more walks of life. Just because you did not choose it does not mean that it is the wrong path.

  202. Kel1 March 18th, 2008 12:34 am

    It’s pretty obvious from Jill’s comments (regarding the clothing at the beach, etc) that she really didn’t take time to READ the comments here before she replied (saying we had “talked about nothing” and had “contradicted ourselves”), otherwise she wouldn’t have rehashed points that others have posted umpteen times.

    And actually, the fact that I did not choose it has nothing to do with why I believe it’s the “wrong path” for women to take. That, for me, would be like someone saying “Just because you didn’t choose to have sex with multiple partners doesn’t mean it’s the wrong path.” Well, lemme think: I’m pretty sure that doing something that devalues me and exploits my body isn’t healthy. Period.

    If I believe that something is harmful, I’m going to stand up and say that it’s harmful. People will often cry “INTOLERANCE!” But then they are the ones who try to vilify and censor those of us with differing opinions. I find that to be so hypocritical it makes my head spin.

    It’s almost akin to someone saying, “Stay away from those white-trash, piece-of-crap homophobes! We would never wanna be like them!” All the while, they don’t even realize how they’ve equated themselves with those they despise.

    By the way, and I am REITERATING this for those of you who constantly put words in the mouths of those who are anti-Hooters: We do not HATE the women who work there! We believe the organization and others like it are PREYING upon WOMEN and EXPLOITING them for PROFIT. And that is why I have a problem with it.

  203. LOL April 1st, 2008 2:42 pm

    DAMN!
    Wome you want it both ways in life.
    YOu wnat to be treated like a man but yet want to be a woman and use that Trump Card of PMS and Babies and all that crap we me have to put up with.
    I am not saying Hooters is rigth but lets face facts we all wnat a goodling person VS a bad looking one. I bet all you ladies nice looking men for husbands and you can’t tell me you don’t dress in shorts and t shirts and bathing suits in summer and try to keep fit right?
    We all the same we coamplian but fall in to the Trap me included but were never going to stamp it out unless we tell Hollywood we wnat ugly people on TV and in Movies.
    So no more Brad Pit. George Clooney or others Hollywood men.
    So would rather kiss Danny Devito or Brad Pitt Women? Be Honest! See you just as much into it as we all are.

  204. southern beauty April 5th, 2008 1:46 pm

    First thing is first…if you dont like hooters then dont go there!!!! I AM a hooters girl..and I get families in there all the time….its not like we are sitting there giving kids or husbands lap dances…its a restuarant people!!!! By the way you dont get hired for your looks or how big your boobs are!!So before you start exploiting hooters…get your facts straight!!!!

  205. HarryB April 7th, 2008 5:59 am

    Hi Gretchen…been a while…surprised to see this thread is still active…picked up the url to it in my site’s stats for April 2008!

    Btw, just to clarify, I did indeed patronize that Hooter’s in Vienna, Austria… ;)

    But what else can one expect as I am indeed one of those stereotypical beer-swilling, red-necked, insensitive males…or at least that’s what my wife tells me! :)

  206. Ann Marie April 12th, 2008 6:38 pm

    I am a Hooters girl and stumbled upon this page by pure accident. I would like to say that I don’t have fake boobs, I’m extremely intellegent and putting myself through school. Some of the best girlfriends I have met in my life are/were Hooters girls. I sincerely feel that people that have a problem with Hooters have a problem accepting themselves. It’s a restaurant people.

  207. Southern_beauty April 14th, 2008 10:23 pm

    Thank You Ann Marie!!!!

  208. Krystin April 15th, 2008 12:21 am

    I am also a Hooters girl and stumbled upon this page as i was looking for pictures from a promo. I like, Ann Marie DO NOT have fake boobs, I am a senior in college and plan to be a physical therapist. We are not strippers or prostitute, which most of you seem to compare us with. It is a restaurant and job that pays enough for my bills. I really do not understand why you all are so stuck on this topic. We wear the same amount of clothing that the average teenage or college girl would wear on a summer day, if not more ! IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OR THE RESTAURANT THAN DON’T GO THERE…ITS THAT SIMPLE

  209. Krystin April 15th, 2008 12:25 am

    …and Kel1 i do not understand why you have posted to this topic for over a year now, thats a little ridiculous if you ask me.

  210. Kel1 April 15th, 2008 12:10 pm

    I post here because I moderate here sometimes. Plus, I keep getting these email notifications about this topic, and all the posts say the same thing…but clearly none of you have read the posts that talk about us not being against Hooters girls, but against the industry itself.
    I guess it’s a little sad that we’ve been saying the same thing for a YEAR, and still no one is really reading our posts, or you wouldn’t come on here talking about fake boobs and saying “just don’t go there” when we’ve made it clear this topic isn’t about fake boobs and we DON’T go there.
    Have a nice day.

  211. Sleepy June 8th, 2008 1:32 pm

    What’s the big deal? I plan to work at hooters as soon as I turn 18 (I’m 16 now) you can make 1000+ in one week! And for what? Waitressing while wearing an outfit that is more modest than a one piece bathing suit? It’s an acting job. I don’t see the horribleness of it. I mean, I do, but, not with hooters in particular. If we ban hooters, we may as well ban TV too, since nearly every commercial and half of the TV shows have a sexual undertone. Ban all female singers – they all become sex symbols. We’d have to ban practically everything in the U.S.. I mean, we pretty much just have to shoot all beautiful women or shoot all men. It’s the people that are the problem. People are sexual creatures, if you look back 50 years, the sexual attitude wasn’t different – it was just more under cover. Sex sells. As long as men are trying to buy it, women will be selling it.

  212. gretchen June 9th, 2008 11:19 am

    Lots of things “sell” – alcohol, drugs, child pornography – that doesn’t make them ok. [-(

  213. Alondra June 14th, 2008 10:18 am

    I came across an interesting articel that changed some of my veiws,I never even thought of this befor and now I wonder why it hasent
    (my original name on this site was “allichick”

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    The Lolita Image
    The Double Standards of Style
    By Terry Lynn W.

    Looking at the extent of the media attention given to the image of female teen pop singers, it is obvious that a sexist way of thinking still exists. How can the media and the public be critical of the Britney’s, Christina’s and Jessica’s of the world for their wardrobe, (or lack thereof), but not be critical of the LFO’s, Backstreet Boys and 98 Degrees?
    These male groups also embrace the ‘less is more’ wardrobe when it comes to their concerts, videos and photos but the media backlash is not there.

    Female sexuality has always been a topical issue: how far can a woman take her sexuality before it becomes bad taste? Why do males get away with baring their chests without coming under fire by critics?

    “I definitely think that everything has its time,” says Anastasia, one half of the Montreal duo Sky. “But it’s her (Britney) body and no one told her she had to dress more sexy. It comes down to what the masses do with it. It becomes a reflection of our society. If you were exposed to more European cultures you would see far more sexuality and no one seems to have a problem with it there.”

    The image Britney projects is partly the idea of her promoters who are savvy enough to know that the Lolita image can enhance her career. Her music may be deep-rooted in the teen market but her image crosses over into the adult market where she is often shown on adult magazine covers posing seductively while still maintaining an ‘innocence’.

    No matter what we may think of Britney, this marketing ploy has worked in her favour in terms of commercial success. Promoters know that selling these Pop artists as a fantasy boy or girlfriend to their fans can only enhance their appeal, despite the talent these groups may or may not have.

    It was their video for ‘Quit Playing Games (With My Heart)’ that showed the Backstreet Boys in all their (mock) striptease glory. It was enough beefcake to rival the female singers’ cheesecake, but the boys have become less blatant over the years.

    Were we really shocked when Britney executed a striptease on the MTV Awards? I.d. are an up-and-coming vocal group based in Toronto. Twenty-two-year-old group member, Gary, believes that there is a difference between the way that female artists and male groups use their sexuality.

    Gary explains, “With the girls…Britney and Christina…they’ve got half tops and they are pretty much naked. There’s one thing with sex appeal and there’s another with flaunting your sex appeal. I think with the boy groups…there might be one or two groups out there where they are all naked (Blink 182) or have their shirts off…but the majority of them don’t. I don’t see B4-4, N’Sync or anybody in concert or at award shows take off their shirt. They come across very sexual but that’s sex appeal…you can’t help it. If that’s your personality it’s gonna come out. Britney and Christina are actually using sex as a tool to sell. Being uncovered and wearing practically nothing…I think it’s the vanity of the girls.”

    The reality is that if artists are adults they should be allowed to dress any way they choose. However, if criticism is directed towards the female, then the male should come under fire as well.

    For example when, then 16-year-old, Moffatts drummer, Bob, appeared in nothing more than his boxers in the video, ‘Girl of My Dreams’, it hardly caused a ruffle. There was no media backlash that said that he was too young to be appearing half-naked lying on a bed. Would the reaction have been different if 16-year-old Mandy Moore was lying half-naked on the bed?

    “There is no backlash because of the simple fact that they are male. Males who go around topless are still considered respectable because they have been doing it for so long,” states 17-year-old Torontonian, Ammee.

    Nader, a 15-year-old Britney fan, says, “I think that Britney is an honest person. I went to her concert and I don’t think that her clothes are sleazy. She wears those things to keep cool…the girls like to look at the boys just the way that the guys like to look at the girls. I don’t think that there is anything wrong with what any of these artists are wearing.”

    Tina, a 13-year-old LFO fan proves that girls also have double standards. “I saw LFO in concert recently and they were hot! The fact that Brad and Devin took off their shirts was an added bonus.” However, at the mention of Britney Spears, Tina shrieks, “Ewww! Britney is a skank. She walks around half naked.”

    I then point out that what she finds disgusting in Britney she found appealing in LFO.

    Without missing a beat she answers, “LFO are talented…they can sing, unlike Britney, who needs to strip because she has no talent.”

    There will always be a difference of opinion when it comes to the images that pop stars project. But if we are going to get into debates about the subject let us make sure that we level the playing field and modify our critical thinking. In fact, let’s just start thinking and using our better judgment, after all, what we do, what we say and what we wear is still ultimately up to us. We have to expand our minds because how we perceive female or male artists can be a reflection of how we view each other.

    @};-@};-@};-

  214. Alondra June 14th, 2008 10:22 am

    sorry for the spelling error

  215. Don June 15th, 2008 6:14 am

    Wow…the words ‘get a life’ come to mind. When I hear a woman use words like ‘atrocities’ to describe Hooters Im reading something from someone thats problems are a lot deeper then where to eat their chicken. Theres a lot of clucking going on here and its from the henhouse not the restaurant. Why is it that women who COULD work at Hooters never post tripe like this? I LOVE Hooters because quite frankly Im sick to death of seeing frumpy overweight bob bon eating couch sloths everywhere I look. Thos girls work there because they CAN and they are not being exploited rather they are, if anything , exploiting themselves. Damn those 7 foot tall people from exploting themselves on teh basketball court or those natural geniuses being exploited by Microsoft….Im sick to death of people whining and clucking about what others are doing when in fact it is nothing more then bitter jealousy because they couldnt get BY on their looks. ‘Atrocities’…wow, do you need to gain some perspective.

  216. Alondra June 15th, 2008 3:31 pm

    can someone read my post please@};-@};-@};-

  217. gretchen June 16th, 2008 10:23 am

    @Alondra – great post. That says a lot.

    @Don – Not sure where you are coming from but I’m pretty confident I could get a job at Hooters. I’m definitely not a “frumpy overweight bob bon eating couch sloth.” I workout several times a week. I’m not overweight, I have great skin, excellent teeth and I’m in overall good health. I’m also 35 but I can pass for 20 easily. So your assumption that I am jealous is wrong. If you want to assume something, assume I have standards and morals. ;)

  218. Kim June 25th, 2008 12:03 am

    I know someone who works for the Hooters general office in Atlanta and he is in charge of the international restaurants. The managers at those restaurants pay for breast implants and the waitresses are required to compete in the swimsuit contests! If they dont, they are fired! The Hooters execs want to portray a “family” restaurant but it is not. Also, Hooters girls were in Playboy magazine this year.

  219. southern beauty July 13th, 2008 5:47 pm

    KIM..I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS BUT YOUR FULL OF ****….MANAGERS DO NOT PAY FOR FAKE BOOBS AND THEY CANT MAKE THE WOMEN COMPETE IN SWIMSUIT CONTEST…THATS NOT IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION WHEN THEY GET HIRED….SO REALLY LEAVE IT ALONE AND GET A LIFE…THE GIRLS COMPETE CAUSE THEY WANT TO…AND THEY DONT GET FIRED….

  220. southern beauty July 13th, 2008 5:54 pm

    KIM…IM GOING TO TELL YOUR RIGHT NOW YOUR FULL OF ****. THE MANAGERS DONT PAY FOR THE GIRLS TO HAVE FAKE BOOBS AND THEY DONT GET FIRED FOR NOT COMPETING IN A SWIMSUIT CONTEST. EVIDENTLY YOU DONT HAVE A BRAIN OR SOMETHING….AND WHATS THIS ABOUT IT NOT BEING A FAMILY RESTUARANT…I GET KIDS IN THEIR ALL THE TIME ..WE SING, DANCE TO THE HOOTER POKEY, AND GIVE BALLOONS..AND THE PARENTS LOVE IT….AND I TAKE MY CHILD WHO IS THREE IN HOOTERS AT LEAST ONE A WEEK…SO WHAT ABOUT PLAYBOY…GET OVER IT…IF THATS WHAT THE GIRLS WANT TO DO LET THEM DO IT..BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THEM ARE HOOTER GIRLS

  221. kmix42 July 14th, 2008 10:12 pm

    Wow, you might want to chill out. You’re a mom and you insult people that you dont even know. I know what I said is a fact and I was referring to the international restaurants. And, isnt there a birthday song where the girls have to get on their knees and sing something like “how do you want us to sing for you?” Very family-oriented!

  222. AbercrombieAutumn July 18th, 2008 7:43 pm

    :d/ there isn’t a problem with hooters, i wouldnt mind working there when im a young adult. i think people liketo blow these things out of proportion, like i was reading above…WAY above about how people want to ban beauty pageants…extremest much?? beauty pageants give away friggin scholarships to people…some people cant get the academic scholorships so who am i to say they cant work hard in a pageant to get one…oh but back to hooters. women go to male stripper joints…so why cant a guy go to hooters…you people disgust me…and i am hard to disgust.

  223. Kel July 19th, 2008 12:52 am

    “women go to male stripper joints…so why cant a guy go to hooters”

    Let the record show that neither Gretchen nor I have made the comparison between male strip joints and Hooters.

    ;)

  224. abercrombieautumn July 20th, 2008 10:06 pm

    I know that you havent, but some of your views are extreme.

  225. Kel July 20th, 2008 11:21 pm

    Just because my views happen to be different from yours doesn’t make them extreme.

    I have quoted things here directly from Hooters own website and menus, not from the rumor mill. If people choose to overlook the things that the company itself says, there’s nothing I can do about that.

    I just don’t see, nor will I ever see, why people believe that establishments like Hooters (and other examples in our culture similar to it) are somehow “family friendly” and do not objectify and use women. If the women know they’re being used, fine, that’s their choice. But let’s not pretend that wanting to exploit ourselves or allow someone else to exploit us makes it “okay.” Let’s at least own up to what it really is.

  226. abercrombieautumn July 21st, 2008 2:21 pm

    can you repeat what you have quoted from hooters so all of us can re-see what you’ve said in a concentrated form…

  227. Kel July 22nd, 2008 10:26 am

    LOL-Autumn, I’ve said a lot, so I can’t re-post everything. If you just scroll down the page, starting at the top, you can look for my gravatar and they’re not too difficult to find. Basically, I’ve had people accuse me of saying Hooters girls are uneducated, and they’ve said that I’m probably ugly because I’ve said that–when I’ve never said they were uneducated. And hey, if people want to assume that I’m ugly, that’s their choice. But I’d say THAT was an uneducated opinion, for sure, considering they’ve never seen me at all.
    I have stated, repeatedly, that businesses like Hooters objectify and exploit women, with permission of the women themselves. Which I’ve also said is their right to do. What I’ve also said is that because they do this doesn’t mean I have to approve or teach my children that exploiting or objectifying women is good.

    At one point, I went to the Hooters website and posted some of their menu items.

    Strange how, on their current website, when you click on “menu” it doesn’t show you the NAMES of their burgers. No, you have to download the menu for that: http://www.hooters.com/_images/menu/Menus/Hooters_Menu.pdf

    And here, on their official menu, you’ll find the “Training Burgers” and the “More Than a Mouthful Burgers.” I’m pretty sure we know what they’re doing: utilizing sexual innuendo to sell food. And their downloadable menu wouldn’t be the same without pictures of their Hooters swimsuit calendar, magazine, and photos of Hooters girls.
    Oh, but they just sell FOOD. I’m sure the calendar and magazines are all about the food. ;)

  228. abercrombieautumn July 22nd, 2008 11:24 am

    okay kel. I get your point, I guess Hooters does have some, or many sexual inuendos in their place. The thing is, so do Disney movies. Its just over the kids heads…like they don’t get the jokes or something along those lines. The burger names will also go over kids heads. I’m sure you’re not ugly though just because you post on here against hooters because that’s ludicrous. Also, I guess we just agree to disagree, but what you are teaching your kids is your opinion and NOT a bad thing. It’s good.

  229. Kel July 22nd, 2008 11:55 am

    “I guess Hooters does have some, or many sexual inuendos in their place. The thing is, so do Disney movies. Its just over the kids heads…like they don’t get the jokes or something along those lines. The burger names will also go over kids heads.”

    You’re right, autumn…there are innuendos everywhere. However, I am not one who says, “Hey, I’ll let my kid watch this movie because the innuendo goes over their heads anyway…” I am one of those parents that other parents roll their eyes at because I actually read family-friendly reviews of even G-rated movies before I’ll allow my kids to see them. Eventually, the innuendo WON’T go over their heads.
    The point is, this stuff affects kids even when we don’t think it does. OUR behavior as adults does impact future generations. If we continue to wink at innuendo in children’s programming, and if we continue to wink at the increased exploitation of women without standing up for what we believe to be right, we will breed another generation of compromisers…just like us. We see it so often, we’ve become numb to it ourselves. Try listening to music that has only a positive message to it, and try watching only public television for two weeks…and you will be surprised at what you’ve overlooked. We all do it. We’ve desensitized ourselves and our children.

    And children (especially young and teenage girls) will see the photos of the Hooters girls, the magazines, and the calendars and think, “Is that what I’m supposed to look like when I grow up?”

    Later, they will “get” the innuendo of the burger names, etc, and it will further reinforce that THIS is what our society values: their appearance–their breasts, their “attractiveness.” And they would be correct. All of this starts very early, and as parents, it’s important to practice what we preach.

    Thanks for your comments and for a good discussion. :)

  230. abercrombieautumn July 22nd, 2008 12:33 pm

    see, I am a teenage girl. I think that maybe i really am desensitized…when I have kids (in many many years from now…I don’t think teenage pregnancy is cool) I hope I can keep them from some of the bad things in life like you’re trying with your kids.

  231. Kel July 22nd, 2008 12:37 pm

    Well, all I can do is try. :)

    You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, Autumn. I wish you well.

  232. abercrombieautumn July 22nd, 2008 12:52 pm

    Thanks! Good luck raising your family…sorry thats sorta corny. :)

  233. Kel1 July 29th, 2008 12:38 am

    http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1069584.html

    Just thought this was interesting. :D

  234. abercrombieautumn July 29th, 2008 10:19 pm

    That was quite funny.

  235. gretchen July 30th, 2008 10:25 pm

    Interesting link Kel, but I can’t say Hooters is at fault here. The driver is ultimately responsible no matter what the distraction may be. I am certain Hooters uses this as a marketing ploy to draw customers, but again – it’s the driver’s responsibility to keep things in check.

  236. Kel July 30th, 2008 10:28 pm

    No, I’m not insinuating that they were at fault for this…I just found it rather humorous. I don’t really know why. I just decided to post it here. :D

    Do you really think it’s a marketing ploy?

  237. gretchen July 30th, 2008 10:32 pm

    Absolutely. What better way to draw attention? Put a bunch of women outside near a busy highway in matching short outfits… it attracts attention. That’s what marketing is all about. If they were really good at it, this would be perfectly timed with the afternoon rush hour when folks are getting off work and thinking about dinner… ;)

  238. Kel July 30th, 2008 10:39 pm

    LOL! =))

    But they’d NEVER do that, Gretchen!! I mean, after all, they’re a FAMILY restaurant!

    *smirk*

  239. Ryan August 19th, 2008 12:07 pm

    I am a young man of twenty and a father. I totally support this. I don’t want my son to be brought up in a world that not only justifies this type of establishment, but advertises itself as a family restaurant on television.

  240. gretchen August 19th, 2008 1:03 pm

    Thanks Ryan. I just wish more people could see it for what it really is. :)

  241. abercrombieautumn August 19th, 2008 2:03 pm

    you go ryan!

  242. ptan October 1st, 2008 2:10 pm

    I can’t agree with you more and I support you on this one.

  243. Renee October 1st, 2008 7:56 pm

    I realize that this post is over a year old, but that’s alright.

    I don’t want to start some debate or anger anyone, but I am a Hooters girl and I don’t believe there is anything wrong with the concept. Lots of the girls I work with are just putting themselves through college, like I am, and you can make a considerably large amount of money working at Hooters. I don’t see anything wrong with a girl using her beauty to earn money to get an education. Some argue that I only feel that way because I’m “good enough” to work at Hooters, but all of my coworkers are not bleached blonde bimbos with enormous breasts. We are honest servers making an honest living and no one has the right to talk down to us.

  244. KH October 10th, 2008 3:33 pm

    I can completely understand not wanting to take an impressionable daughter to Hooters, as it is very clear that only conventionally attractive women are hired. It certainly is no place for an already image-concerned little girl.

    What I simply cannot understand is the level of outrage and disgust that you voice about a place you have never even been to. I am of the belief that those who choose to make such heavy-handed judgments should at least know of what they speak of. You clearly do not.

    As some have mentioned, Hooters servers are primarily sweet, smart college students who choose to work two or three shifts at Hooters, rather than working five nights a week for less pay and more work. I urge you to actually check out a Hooters, alone, with your husband, or with a friend. I was rather surprised when I first visited a Hooters restaurant a few years back. While the clothing is skimpy, girls in junior high wear less to school. Keep in mind that while the shorts are very short, the nylons offer a great deal of coverage. Customers are respectful, with a few exceptions. It is crucial to note that the amount of inappropriate behavior from Hooters patrons is really not much different from the behavior at other restaurants.

    Anyhow, I encourage you to stop making harsh judgments about something that you know nothing about. Give it a chance. Check it out yourself, and make your own decisions, rather than going along with the popular opinion of other equally uniformed naysayers.

    KH

  245. gretchen October 13th, 2008 8:17 pm

    I don’t understand why I have to “try it” to “understand”. I can see from the Hooters marketing materials that it is a place I do not want to visit. The “try it” kind of reasoning makes no sense to me. It’s like saying I have to try crack in order to understand it’s a bad thing. :-??

  246. Amy November 5th, 2008 8:33 pm

    I am so happy to have found this in my google search. Everyone in my office likes to go to Hooters and I am the one who is always declining to go. Today a group of women asked me if I wanted to go and I said I did not like the place. They made me feel as if I was strange or uptight because I didn’t want to be in a place like that. I have been in a Hooters before and I hated everything about it. I felt so uncomfortable. It actually makes me angry that men actually take their children there. Nice role models there. Ask these same men if they would want their little girls working in a place like that and they would freak out at the thought of it. Typical. It’s like the stripper mentality. There is nothing wrong with it unless its your daughter or sister. I also don’t understand why a woman would allow her boyfriend to take her to a place so he can gawk at the waitresses. I can’t think of a more romantic place. Of course the name says it all. Honestly if it was called something other than Hooters, maybe I wouldn’t feel nearly as offended as I do. I wish there were men out there who could see how offensive Hooters is (on so many levels) but I guess I am asking for too much.

  247. gretchen November 5th, 2008 8:36 pm

    Hey Amy – welcome to the minority. <:-p

    Great post.

  248. amy November 5th, 2008 9:16 pm

    No problem, it just felt so good to get that out. I can breathe again!:) Oh and before some Hooters girl or anyone else who does not agree can object, I want to say you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just don’t try to make me feel bad because I don’t agree with you. Don’t say that I must be ugly and insecure. I’m far from ugly and I am not insecure. I am just tired of sexism and how normal it is becoming. I really wonder if some women (and men too) wouldn’t go to Hooters but go anyway because they didn’t want to feel the way I did today when I said I didn’t want to go. :d

  249. gretchen November 5th, 2008 9:19 pm

    I often wonder that, too. I’m not ugly or insecure either. I just think the whole concept of Hooters is a negative influence on the younger generation.

  250. DG November 5th, 2008 10:26 pm

    I would think that if you arent insecure this would be a non-issue but obviously its not since you seem compelled to keep posting. I think our world has far greater issues then “Hooters” and the fact is if you WERE secure this wouldnt be an issue. What really cracks me up is teh feminists that always shout that nobody should be able to tell a woman what to do with her body unless its something that another feminists disagrees with. How rich but typical of teh strident liberal feminist mentality. Freedom of speech as long as you agree with it and freedom of expression as long as it matches up to YOUR morality.
    Here’s an idea….if you dont like whats on TV then change teh channel. If you dont like a restaurant DONT EAT THERE but PLEASE stop trying to inflict your mixed message morality based on your narrow minded self important concept of what is appropriate for a woman to do. Its hypocritical to the extreme. In other words spend more time worrying about how to live YOUR life and less time trying to tell others how to live theirs. You say youre not insecure but you wouldnt be posting here on this subject if you were secure.

  251. amy November 5th, 2008 10:33 pm

    And that is exactly why it ticks me off to see parents taking their children there.

  252. gretchen November 5th, 2008 10:36 pm

    So DG – what you’re saying is that instead of standing up for what I believe in I should look the other way? [-(

  253. amy November 6th, 2008 8:56 am

    DG- I was compelled to post here because I thought it was refreshing to see that others share my opinion. You are right, if you don’t like a show or an establishment, don’t watch the show or don’t go to the establishment. If you re-read my first post, that is exactly what I did! So last night I expressed my feelings. I have a right to my opinions and it is my right to express my feelings, but don’t tell me off because I don’t think the same way you do.

  254. gretchen November 6th, 2008 9:09 am

    I also want to reiterate that avoiding Hooters does not keep it from infiltrating into our lives. The Hooters propaganda is everywhere….A little girl in my daughter’s preschool class came to school one day wearing a Hooters t-shirt….while driving the other day a van passed me with Hooters ads all over it…there are billboards, Internet and tv ads…it’s not like we’re protesting something we never see. /:)

    Hooters sells sex, plain and simple. I do not want my daughters growing up and thinking that is a skill to be marketed.

  255. amy November 6th, 2008 9:18 am

    My friend takes his son to Hooters all the time and never saw anything wrong with it. One day a thought occured to his son and he pointed to one of the waitresses and shouted ‘You said I can’t wear my underwear outside, how come she can?’ Needless to say, he never brought his son there again.
    Kids aren’t stupid. They clearly understand what Hooters is all about. They are impressionable though. If I had children, I would never take them to an establishment like that because it gives kids the wrong idea about men and women.

  256. Caroline November 13th, 2008 11:20 am

    I don’t think the place is so much controversial as childish and stupid. Think about it. Hooters is fools paradise. The waitresses are delusional enough to think working there puts them in the league with professional models – and that “$100 cash even on a slow night” is “great money” worth running their butts off and being demeaned for. Meanwhile, the paunchy middle aged guys who go there think these waitresses actually like them, and that if the only reason they aren’t seeing these girls socially is because they’re married men. Meanwhile, the wives and girlfriends of these guys think they’re ‘secure’ and ‘cool’ when they’re actually so pathetically addicted to approval that they feel they’ll lose their man if they don’t stomach greasy overpriced food while they watch him mentally peel the cheesy 1980′s uniforms off of a bunch of interchangeable “C” students from the local community college. Whee.

  257. gretchen November 13th, 2008 11:29 am

    Caroline – you’re totally going to get flamed for that and I’m going to get flamed for applauding you for it. =d> Well stated, even in sarcasm.

  258. DJ Nelson November 26th, 2008 1:42 pm

    I’m used to getting flamed so I have no problem saying that neither I nor my husband will ever step into a Hooters.

    It is offensive, degrading, and objectifying. And anyone who says otherwise is blind and undeducated.

    Women are the only group who happily puts up with being oppressed. “Oh it makes it cool, and sexy”- No, it makes you clueless and it makes it harder for women who actually want to be respected for their minds and not their behinds.

    See: Would You Like Some Sexism With Your Nightly News Report

    And to teach children that garbage!

    When they make a place called Balls and the men go topless wearing speedos it will still be ridiculous but at least I won’t be able to say “only women would put up with that trash”.

  259. Flame November 26th, 2008 7:50 pm

    Ya…the flaming…its gonna happen, but before I flame you, I would like to say that I will just be stating my opinion just as you have, and I do infact respect the fact that you feel it is right to speak for your ideas…but also before I flame until only embers and leftover pieces of log that didn’t burn for whatever reason are left let me just say this.

    Okay, I understand that the uniform is quite an issue here for some folks…now I’m not going to compare it to other restaurants that most of you probably would never step in. Instead, I’m going to relate it to things you promote…sports! My running team has about the same amount of clothes on when we are running a race, some teams wear less, and as I’m just assuming here, Gretchen you probably would let your kids watch the olympics, but the track and field outfits along with volley ball and mens swimming have more revealing outfits than the hooters girls. (If you had a problem with the olympics and didn’t let your kids watch them please excuse the comment, and I appologize for generalizing.)

    Now, to quote, (for flaming purposes, like Gretchen said, it was going to happen)
    “$100 cash even on a slow night” is “great money” worth running their butts off and being demeaned for.”

    For college students, one hundred dollars a night is good, because especially for first years, there arent that many jobs out there that pay that(100)a night when minimum wage is around 7 dollars and they will probably work from 3 to 6 hours a night making between roughly 21 and 42 dollars. As for being demeaned, you can be demeaned anywhere while wearing anything by anyone, and there are policies in place at hooters, as said by someone much earlier in the thread that are put in place so that if you do demean a girl, then you can potentially be thrown out.

    “Meanwhile, the paunchy middle aged guys who go there think these waitresses actually like them, and that if the only reason they aren’t seeing these girls socially is because they’re married men.”
    Not all men who go to hooters are paunchy and middle aged, and most do not get the allusion that the girls are in like with them…this is because AS YOU STATED they are running their butts off. Now, if you are running your butt off, then you probably don’t have time to be sitting around making men think you want to go to bed with them.

    the wives and girlfriends of these guys think they’re ’secure’ and ‘cool’ when they’re actually so pathetically addicted to approval that they feel they’ll lose their man if they don’t stomach greasy overpriced food
    Some women like hooters, and most don’t think the foods bad. Also, if you think that all women that go out with men that go to hooters are insecure, then you are misguided. Most women believe their guy isn’t going to dump them for an unattainable hooters girl who as i stated before has no time to flirt anyway.

    bunch of interchangeable “C” students from the local community college. Whee.

    well, first off, most girls taht work at hooters are not C students at a comunity college. Most go to good colleges getting good degrees. Some hooters girls go to harvard and are training to be lawyers. also, since your c is in quotes im going to assume that you’re refering to cup size too. Many hooters girls are B A C D and any other cup you can think of girls. NOT all are c cups, and some are probably flatter than a straight iron.

    Also, I KNOW this is a blog and people are merely stating their opinions, but some of your opinions (like I’m sure mine are) are hurtful, and the number one thing I was taught in computer class was to not say mean things you can’t take back on the internet. Once things have been posted they are out for everyone to see. I would like to see any of you kel1 gretchen or DJ to actually go up to a girl who works in hooters, call her a C student one step down from a prostitute or stripper, and walk away with a clean conscience. I doubt you would because you are nice ladies. I just want you to ponder that, and think about posts before you post them maybe.

    Another thing is I understand you aren’t mad at the girls themselves for working there but the company itself for being demeaning, although I dont agree with this view, I would like to point something out. If you don’t like the company policy, rag about them, not the women who you claim to not want to hurt.

    Moving on, Gretchen, in other postings, like the girls cant play football forum, you yelled at people for saying mean things. Here you applaud them…if you are moderating your site maybe you should try to keep people from all hurtful sayings, not just hurtful sayings that you agree with (even if they are plainly in sarcasm.)

    Just saying, I too understand that many hooters haters may flame me like atorch on a burger, but I don’t care. I took a stand, just like they did.

  260. gretchen December 3rd, 2008 2:27 pm

    I posted a really long reply to this last Friday, but to my dismay it never got posted. Must have been tired and forgot to click “submit” before I signed off. Oh well. Here is a summary of what I ‘posted’:

    First let me thank everyone for their feedback. I like to hear where others are coming from. I am not opposed to changing my thinking if one can provide me with solid reason to do so.

    Let me address the uniform issue – it is one of context. Context means “the circumstances in which an event occurs; a setting”. When we go to a sporting event, we are in the mindset to watch a competition. The uniforms are not offensive because we know they are designed that way for comfort and safety of the athlete.

    In a restaurant setting, there are expectations about the dining context. Restaurants know this and they have policies – no shirt, no shoes, no service. You can’t wear a bathing suit and expect to be served a meal as long as the restaurant upholds its rules.

    Hooters is different….the expectation or context there is entertainment of a sexual nature. I’m not implying that the waitresses are doing anything wrong, I am just saying that the mindset of the men who visit will at some point turn to sex. The imagery and the text that Hooters creates with their decor and their print medium (menus, signs, logos) all point to the context of sex. When men are put into that mindset and women are set before them in a skimpy athletic uniform, they do not think “oh I’m going to watch a soccer game” – they have sexual thoughts about the women. The Hooters context set them up for that and now they are no longer waitresses serving food, they are sexual objects.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean that women aren’t objectified outside of Hooters, but Hooters certainly isn’t discouraging the behavior. They may say they don’t encourage certain behaviors with their mouths and with their “policies” but their print media, videos and restaurant decor send a different message.

    I guess for me I am just tired of drinking the kool-aid that this kind of a place is ok and then letting my kids take sips and have them think it’s ok. We flash up media photos of air-brushed women and bombard our kids with messages of what to look like, how to dress and how to act and it’s not ok. Is it too much to ask to stand together as women and say enough is enough? I am not a sex object, I am a woman with real feelings and real issues. Respect me for who I am. I do not want to be responsible for contributing insecurity and confusion the next generation of young ladies. We’re too intelligent. Put down the kool-aid.
    :)>-

  261. Flame December 5th, 2008 8:37 pm

    Well put…but you did not really touch on the end of my message at all. I’m sorry to keep bring it up because it can be annoying, but I’m a persistant antifeminist woman…sorry.

    Moving on, Gretchen, in other postings, like the girls cant play football forum, you yelled at people for saying mean things. Here you applaud them…if you are moderating your site maybe you should try to keep people from all hurtful sayings, not just hurtful sayings that you agree with (even if they are plainly in sarcasm.)

  262. gretchen December 8th, 2008 10:52 pm

    Thanks for the response. I went back through the football thread and I’m not sure I would classify my comments as “yelling”. I did moderate things a few times and ask folks to stop the name-calling, but I did not start the name-calling and personal attacks. I may have countered with sarcasm and used a person’s quote to make a statement, but I was not the instigator of the attacks. I was just refuting statements made against what I believed. :-??

  263. Flame December 10th, 2008 8:25 pm

    Caroline’s words
    a bunch of interchangeable “C” students from the local community college. Whee.

    Gretchens words
    I’m going to get flamed for applauding you for it. Well stated, even in sarcasm.

    My words
    I’m sorry, but how can you applaud that, and say you’re a fair moderator?[-(

  264. gretchen December 11th, 2008 8:30 am

    I applauded because I agreed with the basic premise of the post. /:)

  265. flame December 11th, 2008 2:54 pm

    but you earlier stated….

    I’m not implying that the waitresses are doing anything wrong, I am just saying that the mindset of the men who visit will at some point turn to sex.

    which seems like you’re angry with the owners and controlers of hooters not the women who are objectified there. If that is what you’re truly stating, then how can you agree with the general premise of a blurb that calls these girls dumb and uneducated??

  266. gretchen December 12th, 2008 8:41 am

    I will admit I’m a little bit torn on the issue. On one hand, I feel sorry for women who are sucked into the mindset that working at places like Hooters are “ok”, but on the other hand I am a bit miffed at them for contributing to the problem. I still don’t understand the attraction of being ogled by strangers. Maybe that’s just me. :-??:-??

  267. Erin January 9th, 2009 1:15 pm

    So I mysteriously came across this website today. Two years later Im hoping that you, Ms. Gretchen, have educated yourself a bit more on the subject. It would be nice to know that educating yourself would be high on your list of things to do.

    I speak to you not only as a married four year graduate of the University of Mississippi, a current special education kindergarten teacher of autistic children, but also as a bartender, image coach, and head trainer of Hooters. Your rant about Hooters as a resturant and demeaning place to work is not found surpising. Your eagnerness to judge something you know nothing of, however, is. In your lack of research on the subject of Hooters I can almost guarentee that you haven’t come across our college tution reinbursment program. Its a program to help our Hooters girls pay for school, help out with the high cost of books, and make a sometime hard tution a bit easier to fund. By chance did you happen to run across an outline of what an “image class” is. As an image coach (and a recovering anorexic from my early teen years), take this as honesty. Every image class that is done in our store is based on teaching how to eat HEALTY and include excersise into a everyday living. It is not a session to harp on women to get their breast enlarged, belittle their current looks, but rather to educate women on maintaining a healthy life style. If that makes Hooters a bad corporation, I insist on seeing your next blog about the next research based report to come out that says eating right and excerising makes for a goof lifestyle.

    The perception that Hooters has is based from people just like yourself that refuse to dart the doors. If Hooters degrades women for being beauitful, Im assuming you are anti-pagents as well, along with anit-cheerleading squads. After all, pagents cater to beautiful women, scholarships to help with college, open up oppurtunities at modeling careers, and have huge networking possibilities. And lets not pretend that cheerleading squad wouldnt want their cheerleaders beautiful and in shape.

    From your daughters quick witted comments about your husbands desire for a beauiful woman, I see she is quick to draw on her own conclusions of reality. I hope that when she becomes old enough to form her own opinions she at least takes the time to educate herself on the topic at hand before she so moronically opens her mouth.

  268. gretchen January 9th, 2009 1:28 pm

    No – I’m not anti-pageants or cheerleading and there is nothing wrong with looking beautiful and being healthy.

    My issue is that Hooters is all about sexual innuendo. It is not a “family” restaurant nor would I EVER take my children to such a place. No one seems to want to address that issue.

    I still fail to see the “you can’t judge because you’ve never tried it” reasoning. I’ve never killed anyone either so I guess I can’t have an opinion on convicted murderers. Or illegal drugs. Or Alcohol. Or prostitution. Or anything else I haven’t “tried”. :-??

  269. Erin January 9th, 2009 1:49 pm

    I do believe you are incorrect to say that no one has addressed your “My issue is that Hooters is all about sexual innuendo. It is not a “family” restaurant nor would I EVER take my children to such a place. No one seems to want to address that issue. ”

    The argument of innuendos in your children’s movies, and even the songs that your children hear with or without your discretion has been addressed. You say that your kids see and hear nothing without your filter. You read the reviews before your children see the movies. Your refusal to educate your children about the real world around them is phanominal. You would rather spend your time sheltering them from what the real world is today, innundos and all, that just educating them. Your version of educating is telling them that its all bad. Not even giving them, or yourself an oppurtinity for discovery.

    If you choose not to bring your family into Hooters, more power to you. Though I really think that you are missing out. There are far worse things to see than chicken wings and beauitful women working hard, not depending the government or anyone else for that matter.

  270. kel1 January 9th, 2009 2:13 pm

    Ah, I see. So we should have someone ELSE decide what the “real world” is for our children? Why not take my kids to a strip club? After all, it’s the “real world.” Why not encourage my kids to experiment with drugs? Real world. How about encouraging them to date at age 9? Buy them birth control at age 11? Heyyy, it’s all good, right? After all, it’s the “real world” and I wouldn’t want them to be “sheltered.” Good heavens, no. We as parents should just let society and Hollywood educate our kids FOR us. After all, we carry them for nine months and feed and clothe them. Why should we need to pass on our values to them, too? Pfft. (end sarcasm)

    Our children ARE educated. They’re just not educated by you or by the society that says, “Hey, if it pays for college, it MUST be alright.”
    I don’t think my 7 year old needs to know what all the innuendo means. He’ll learn that soon enough, in the “real world” as he gets older.
    To say that Hooters is a “family” restaurant is more than just a stretch. It’s a lie. A restaurant isn’t “family oriented” just because some parents choose to take their children there (and I guarantee you it isn’t little Susie begging Daddy to take her to Hooters. Chuck E. Cheese is surely more to her liking).

    Let me ask you, which is of more intrinsic value to other lives–your work with special needs and autistic children, or your work at Hooters serving drinks? In my opinion, I’d rather have my children making a difference in the lives of others as opposed to worrying about their “images.”

    I am glad that you’ve found help for your anorexia, but that also is a disorder that likely has its first roots in societal pressure to “look” a certain way. It also is a type of control that people unconsciously utilize when they cannot control other aspects of their lives.

    The less importance we place on one’s physical appearance, the better. And it seems to me that with burgers named after breast sizes, Hooters is doing a poor job of that.

  271. gretchen January 9th, 2009 2:18 pm

    Erin – thank you for responding. I didn’t say I filter everything my children experience, however I do try. That is called parenting. ;)

    There is age appropriateness to just about everything in life. Experience has nothing to do with it. Maybe I should let my 9 year old drive the family car just so she can “experience” it. That would be a fun “discovery”.

    As a parent, my job is to help my kids understand the issues when they come to the appropriate age. Yes, that is almost totally at my discretion, but I am the parent and no one knows my kids better than me.

    Again, I am failing to understand this whole mentality of letting the kids parent themselves. They can’t do that. They need to be taught right or wrong. Every parent is different in what we allow our kids to handle. For example, I will allow my kids to watch movies that other parents wouldn’t – like Star Wars – because my kids can handle that. I know other kids the same age as mine that would be totally freaked out by an Ewok. Ten years from now those same kids can probably watch Star Wars together without it being an issue. Age is a factor.

    Now to bring this back to Hooters. My kids are not at an age where presenting them with blatant sexual innuendos is appropriate (not that is ever appropriate for any kid in my opinion). Yes, there are innuendos in kids movies and issues I wish my kids didn’t have to deal with. We watch movies as a family and when there are questionable scenes, we fast forward (very rare) or foul language (much more common) we explain what was said and why it is not good to use those words. We also pick movies that have a G or PG rating – so we have less filtering to do in the first place. ;)

    Now before someone jumps in here and says we’re being prudish for not talking about sex with our kids, that’s not the case. I have had “the talk” with my oldest child (11) and she understands the basics. When the time is right, we talk to them. We’re not anti-sex here. We just don’t believe in doing it in front of our kids. ;)

    And let’s be real… “chicken wings and beauitful women working hard” aren’t the only things they will see. They can read. And they like to repeat what they read and hear. I don’t want my children bringing sexual innuendos into their vocabulary, whether they understand them or not. It’s a lot easier to explain not to use a cuss word than it is to try to explain why a sexual innuendo is bad.

    And one other issue which I know was addressed waaay back in this thread is that of kids these days having sex at younger and younger ages and teen pregnancies on the rise. Do you think this just happened naturally? Sure, eventually kids figure it out, but not at the ages of 11 and 12 which is the age of some teen pregnancies these days (including the ages of some of the fathers). It is the result of places like Hooters who push sexual propaganda on children and call it good fun. That’s really sad.

  272. Hootersfan January 9th, 2009 2:33 pm

    Gretchen Gretchen Gretchen…Hooters fuels the porn industry…really…I always thought it was fueled by visually cued guys whose wives and girlfriends had let themselves go.
    I hear its now proven that Hooters causes cancer and is responsible for Global Warming.
    Why we’re at it lets ban TV…especially those Soap Operas you gals watch….way too much sex on those. And Tyra Banks…yeah, the Super Model who makes her living off of how she looks telling everyone it doesnt matter how you look.
    As far as Hooters…funny how much you know about a place you claim you’ve never been in. I know a lot of pretty average small busted girls that work at Hooters. I think all the clucking here speaks more to your OWN insecurities then anything else. The amount of time this thread has gone on and the vitriol and wasted time spent here…maybe if you spent that time at the Gym you wouldnt feel so threatened.
    I always knew that girls in orange shorts would be the death of society as we know it. Hooters is first and formost a Sports Bar with good food. Me AND my (hot and secure) little woman go in there. I would have no problem with my little girl going in there either. But Im sure you have banned ‘Barbie’ and Tyra, Soaps and Commercials and God Forbid DISNEY MOVIES with their amply endowed animated heroines.
    Hooters isnt your problem…you are.

  273. Erin January 9th, 2009 2:35 pm

    The same innuendoes you see at Hooters are the same that you will see in other ads across the board. If you ever look at European ads or commercials you would be amazed at the innunedos, or for that matter the matter-of-factly approach to things.

    The comparison of Hooters with strip clubs is ridiclous. Buying your child birth control at 11? I wouldnt say that either, unless your child is toying with the idea. Which, in fact, I suggest YOU educate your child about before society does get to him or her. And, as a public educator, I would actually say the concept that 11 year olds have on sex is quite built up by that age, so you may want to educate a bit sooner. Im not saying promote, as you may think im saying. Im saying educate. And I am saying EDUCATE your child on what Hooters really is. A resturant. With beautiufl women. Serving wings. Not a stip club. Not a demeaning place.

    I honestly can say that I love teaching my autistic class. Love it. I also love that Hooters helped me pay for the degree that put me in the classroom to educate these children, these children most others run the opposite way of. Do i effect people more teaching than bartending, one would hope. And I promise, i would love for my teaching salary to be enough to pay the bills, but it isnt… thats an argument for another day.

  274. kel1 January 9th, 2009 2:47 pm

    Which, in fact, I suggest YOU educate your child about before society does get to him or her. And, as a public educator, I would actually say the concept that 11 year olds have on sex is quite built up by that age, so you may want to educate a bit sooner. Im not saying promote, as you may think im saying. Im saying educate.

    ******************************

    Erin, I’m also a public educator who currently homeschools and tutors outside the home, and has hours of time logged teaching special ed as well as mainstream classes. I’m pretty sure I know how to educate my children as well as others. But thanks.

    BTW, I didn’t need Hooters to pay for my college. I worked other jobs that did not require me to flaunt my assets (other than my brain and personality). And don’t try to imply that since I didn’t work at Hooters that I have no physical assets (as others have done on this site). It’s because I know that having men stare at my “assets” in Hooters isn’t the way I want to present myself as a woman or an educator.

    Obviously, you don’t feel the same way. Fine. But don’t insinuate that we are somehow ignorant for choosing to raise our children with a different attitude toward what is “healthy exposure” and what is not, as society dictates.

  275. gretchen January 9th, 2009 2:48 pm

    @Hootersfan – you obviously don’t know me or anyone else on here. For the record, I get up at 4:30am every day to work out. No issues there. According to my husband I have “more than a handful” so I’m not insecure. I don’t watch soaps or Tyra, read trashy novels or fill my day up with non-productive crap. I really don’t even need to defend myself in this capacity since you are visiting the results of my productivity right here on this site. But since all you “hooter fans” like to claim I’m insecure, there’s a little taste of my day.

    This thread has actually been productive if you read back through it and see that there have been some very thought-provoking posts by both “sides”.

    Your comments, however, were time-wasting. :-w

  276. gretchen January 9th, 2009 2:49 pm

    @Erin – now you’ve hit on something we can agree on. You SHOULD be paid more as an educator. Perhaps if we were paid based on how much we contribute to society, the Hooters debate would be a non-issue.

  277. kel1 January 9th, 2009 2:52 pm

    LOL- Hootersfan, you’re EXACTLY the kind of male attitude that exemplifies Hooters. Focused on women who have “let themselves go” and bragging about your “hot and secure woman.”
    This is exactly what we’ve been talking about here, but it seems that in your furor to insult and turn a perfectly sane argument into something ridiculous, you’ve missed the point.

    I feel sorry for your woman, who one day may not be so “hot” without artificially altering her appearance. I can see her now, following you to Hooters as you ogle other women for your own pleasure and gratification. But congrats! You’ll still be a “real man.”

  278. kel1 January 9th, 2009 2:56 pm

    @Erin – now you’ve hit on something we can agree on. You SHOULD be paid more as an educator. Perhaps if we were paid based on how much we contribute to society, the Hooters debate would be a non-issue.
    ************************************

    Now THERE’S a novel concept!! Wouldn’t that be nice? :)

    BTW, to the “real man” who posted–in case you don’t know, you have an incredibly stereotypical view of women as soap-opera, talk show watching bimbos. Of which I’m none of those things. Thankfully, my husband knows how great he has it. ;)

  279. Kim January 9th, 2009 8:09 pm

    I have already replied to this post but I will reply again because there are some misconceptions. The Hooters college tuition program is not available to all Hooters girls. I would not compare beauty pageants (btw, it is not spelled “pagent”) to Hooters because the pageants actually offer scholarship money. When a girl wants to be hired as a Hooters girl, on the job application the manager will write a number from one to ten depending on how she looks. If she is a 8-10, she is automatically hired on the spot. Now, someone tell me that is not demeaning. The better looking girls (the 8-10′s) work in the front of the restaurant. Also, they are the ones that are asked to be in the bikini contests. The corporate trainers are strictly chosen on their looks, and the international franchises only send a certain type of girl to open a restaurant in another country. For example, a restaurant opening in China will ask for only trainers with blonde hair. So, that is another side to what goes on in the “Hooters world.” And, I can tell you that it is NOT a family restaurant or a family-oriented company.

  280. gretchen January 9th, 2009 10:04 pm

    Thanks Kim. That’s new information for me, but I’m not surprised. ;)

  281. Da'Nika February 5th, 2009 12:52 am

    Ok im a 17 year old and i work at hooters. Im only a hostess for now but ill be 18 in a month so im training to be a waitress. I love working there and its a great to place to have a job while im still in school. The hours a good, the pay is great and ive met so many amazing people. My parents thought the same as everyone else when i told them that i got hired but then i told them to come check it out and they both said that they were wrong. Now dont get me wrong there are some hooters where it wouldnt be a great idea but bring your kids but not all are like that.:)

  282. Jessica February 16th, 2009 1:53 am

    A friend of mine told me about this website and I just had to come see for myself. I am a 21 year old nursing student and I’m also a certified corporate training for Hooters. This thread is absolutely ridiculous. I have worked for Hooters for a little over two years now and I love my job and it’s not because men come and stare at me or the fact that I get to show off my “assets” as you so put it. Hooters is a great restaurant where you can go to have fun WITH YOUR FAMILY. What other restaurant do you know of that your server will come and sit and joke and chat with you, or will get your kids out of your hair while you enjoy a delicious dinner?? No where. There must be some insecurity with you and the other people who disagree with it. I have been with my husband since I was 15 years old and he has absolutely no problem with me working there. I have never once had an image problem. What kind of woman doesn’t like to dress up and know that she looks good? None that I can name unless she knows she’s ugly. What does that say about you?

  283. gretchen February 16th, 2009 9:14 am

    I’m not insecure – far from it. I don’t think you’ve read through the entire thread or you would have known that by now. I don’t consider a restaurant based on sexual innuendos to be appropriate for kids. That’s it – plain and simple. If adults want to go there and support that – fine. But kids do not need to be bombarded with that. [-(

  284. Ann February 16th, 2009 10:29 am

    They hire 17 year old girls at hooters? Eww. That is pretty disturbing. Especially since I know old men in my office like to go there and look at the girls. Yuck. Also for the hooters girl that is calling other women insecure. I think YOU have insecurity issues if you think wearing a slutty outfit to work is ‘fun’. And I don’t think its entertaining for some stupid little tramp of a waitress to sit and flirt with my husband or boyfriend. Any woman who is secure with herself would not like that. It’s the stupid women who let their boyfriends and husbands do those kinds of things. Its a degrading and sexist restaraunt and if it weren’t then why have there been so many sexual harrassment lawsuits against the chain. I don’t know of another chain of restaraunts that has been in the news so much because of their lawsuits. So stop trying to justify what you do for a living. You are one step above a stripper and that is nothing to be proud of. I’ve seen how the girls who work there have to be escorted to their car…JUST LIKE A STRIPPER.

  285. Anne February 16th, 2009 10:46 am

    BTW Stop taking cheap shots by saying girls who don’t like hooters are ugly. That is very insulting to women and you degrade all of us by making a comment like that! I am not ugly and my friends are some of the most beautiful women you could meet. However, we respect ourselves and will not cheapen ourselves the way you girls do. Obviously your parents did not raise you right.

  286. gretchen February 16th, 2009 10:56 am

    Ok – hold up on the insults from both sides. Being a Hooters girl is a personal choice. I want to know 2 things.

    1. Do Hooters Girls really have to be escorted to their cars?

    2. Can someone from Hooters confirm if this is the type of menu being used? http://www.hooters.com/_content/menu/menu.aspx

  287. Kim February 16th, 2009 7:55 pm

    yes, I am sure a lot of the Hooters girls have to be escorted to their cars. And, that is the menu they use for their “family-oriented” restaurants. Oh, and to the corporate trainer that replied, how professional is it to tell the girls how to tie their shirts so they “show off” more? Also, the girls are told to wear a certain type of bra, and they are told to wear shorts that are a size smaller than their regular size. Also, in certain restaurants the girls interviewing for the job have to try on the uniform first before they are hired.

  288. Da'Nika February 20th, 2009 11:59 pm

    Um yes they hire 17 year olds but only as hostess until they reach 18 but are u talking about me too when you called that girl a tramp becuase i love and respect myself but i love working at hooters so what are you trying to say about me?

  289. LABodyguard February 21st, 2009 12:08 am

    The Defense Rests…
    [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/qeslah/hooters.jpg[/IMG]

  290. Jessica February 21st, 2009 3:36 pm

    No girls are not escorted to their cars unless it’s late at night which a lot of restaurants do, not just hooters. For the woman who said I’m not secure with my self, I am very secure. I just can’t believe that with the way the world is now, you won’t even try to come to Hooters before you say it’s a bad place. I was raised right and my father had a problem with me working there at first. I finally talked him and my mom to come and eat one day. They did and they had a blast. Needless to say neither one of them has complained since. And no it’s not like a strip come. Like I said I’m 21 years old and not one time have I ever been in a strip club. All I’m saying is at least once go see what it’s about before you say it’s a horrible place and maybe you’ll finally see, we’re nothing like a strip club. If you have a problem with your children coming don’t bring them. It’s a personal choice but I can guarantee you that your children and you will have a great time.

  291. Jessica February 21st, 2009 3:41 pm

    And no we don’t “tie our shirts up to show more or wear shorts too small” for that matter. We don’t have many sexual harrasment lawsuits. And FYI, what about the big corporate companies that have sexual harrassment lawsuits? Your saying it like it’s only hooters that has them. The lawsuits we have are discrimination lawsuits because we don’t hire men as hooter girls. So get your facts straight.

  292. LABodyguard February 21st, 2009 4:12 pm

    Well, to be blunt the woman that started this thread uses terms like OUTRAGE and ATROCITIES so we know her world view is a little skewed.
    Its like the TV, lady…you dont like it change the channel and stop your whining. Better yet, why not go after Sports Illustrated, Americas Next Top Model and women wearing Bikinis on the beach. Your children have a bigger problem then Hooters and its called YOU.
    I personally save words like atrocity for things like Rwanda and 9/11 and events that actually matter in the scheme of things.
    I wish I had more hair and was muscular but I dont whine about closing down Chippendales.
    Your problems are a lot deeper then a restaurant with pretty girls and chicken wings. Maybe worry about yourself MORE and others less. Apparently your sense of validation and self worth is only found when comparing yourself to others :-\”
    The world isnt fair so stop your whining and worry more about the quality of YOUR life and less about who looks good in a tank top. The pic I tried to post yesterday was VERY appropriate to this topic which may be why it didnt get posted….
    mmmmm…..wingsssssssssssss…………..

  293. gretchen February 21st, 2009 4:35 pm

    Your photo was posted and I don’t think it proves anything. I’m not arguing what “looks good” and what doesn’t. It’s about teaching young girls how to respect themselves and how to be respected for who they are and not how they look. We women don’t want to be treated or seen as sex objects, yet we let a restaurant such as Hooters portray us as exactly that. Why?

    And I think I am picking the right battles. I can’t do anything to stop terrorists, but I can teach my kids and the other young women in my life that they are worth so much more than the media tells them they are.

  294. Kim February 21st, 2009 8:55 pm

    Excellent reply, Gretchen! Seems to me that the ones that have to overly defend the restaurant may be a little insecure. The photo that was posted proves nothing, and if some of you actually understood that just because we do not like an establishment that promotes sexuality, doesnt mean we are “insecure” about our looks. So, all women who do not approve of strip clubs are ugly? Dont think so.

  295. ken February 24th, 2009 11:49 am

    Gretchen, when you say “we women” (post 292) are you including the women who work at hooters, and strip clubs, and casinos, and modeling agencies, and those women who wear bikinis at beaches, playing volleyball on tv, etc. are you really saying that these women, and it is a lot of them, do NOT want to be percieved as sexy. that is where the money is, and of course that is what they want. the money, and if you could make money doing it you would too. I know I would. I also know that my wife likes to be treated as if she is sexy. and she is. and I tell her so regularly. and she treats me the same way. as if i was attractive and sexy. there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

  296. gretchen February 24th, 2009 12:08 pm

    No Ken – I would not do it for the money. I am not out to make millions of dollars. I believe in prosperity, but I also believe in giving value in order to “earn” a living. For me, modeling or working in a job that is all about looks is not providing value. And I recognize that some people will feel it is a valuable provision.

    And of course we women want to be perceived as attractive – there is nothing wrong with that. But we also want those who are attracted to us to see as real people with real lives, kids, careers and intelligence – Not just “a hot chick in a bikini”. There is a difference. ;)

  297. ken February 24th, 2009 2:23 pm

    OK

  298. Amber February 27th, 2009 2:54 am

    Well, it’s like LAbodyguard said. If you don’t like the channel, don’t watch it. I think it’s perfectly fine and acceptable for you to raise your kids the way you want to because they are YOUR family. However, I hardly think it’s fair to imply that the women working at these restaurants have no respect for themselves and want to be treated as sex objects. These girls are pretty girls, most of them in school, needing an easy, fun, profitable job with a flexible schedule. When they get older and get out into the business world people most likely aren’t going to be like “Oh, you worked at Hooters at the ripe old age of 19. You shouldn’t have. Your future is ruined.” All I’m saying is, raise your kids to fit your values, but don’t suggest that other people don’t have the right to enjoy a restaurant concept they don’t find to be offensive, let alone an “attrocity.”

    Also, I don’t think people are against Hooters because they’re jealous. Everyone is entitled to their own moral code, so lay off with the jealousy stuff, people.

  299. gretchen February 27th, 2009 10:55 am

    It’s hard to “change the channel” when the “channel” pops up on billboards, tv commercials and other places my family is likely to be. ;)

    And no one wants to be treated or looked upon as a sex object – that’s not what I am saying. I am saying that women who are this line of work where looks are valued above anything else and especially in an environment such as Hooters where sexual innuendos are encouraged, they WILL be looked upon and at times treated like sex objects, whether they intend for that to happen or not. I am most certain that is NOT their intention, but let’s not deny the fact that it is happening.

  300. Morgan February 27th, 2009 12:11 pm

    “Maybe worry about yourself MORE and others less”, if that’s the case LABodyguard then why are you worrying about her and not yourself??? That’s what I’m curious to know. She’s a Mom, she has to worry about the people around her kids and family. Yes, I am not minding my own business. But that’s my problem and not yours.

  301. Priscilla March 26th, 2009 1:28 pm

    Hello guys! I’m back! I didn’t really think this would still be going on. Well, I would definitely like to know where Kim gets her information at….
    I worked at Hooters for more than 2 years. I’ve seen my fair share of the hiring process. I also have seen my application and NO WHERE on it was a number of how attractive I was. When a girl is applying she is usually interviewed that day by a manager. There is no number in it. And girls aren’t asked by the managers to enter the bikini contests. They do it on their own. If you don’t want to be in it then you aren’t. I wasn’t in either of the contests while I was there. As for certain bras, the only thing the girls are told are they must be flesh colored. They don’t want white bras because they are able to be seen through the shirts as flesh colored ones aren’t. What else…the college tutition is avaiable for any Hooters girl who is in college but MUST keep a certain GPA. Yes Hooters DOES hire 17 year old girls to work as a HOSTESS. So stop talking about it being dirty. They wear collared shirts and khaki shorts. And we don’t ‘tie’ shirts. If the shorts are too tight or her butt cheeks are showing the girl is either told to get bigger shorts or go home. I don’t know where you get your information but it’s all so very wrong. I’ve also NEVER seen a manager make a girl interviewing for a job try on the uniform before she’s hired. Your statements are very false.
    As for the comment about the girls being escorted to their cars ‘like strippers’…lets see if it’s past 2 AM and you’ve worked all night long and have a considerable amount of money and YOUR WELL BEING to be concerned with why wouldn’t you want someone to watch you walk to your car!? That’s about safety. Managers don’t want their employees being attacked at work. They also do it for their cooks and bussers….so what now?

    “I think YOU have insecurity issues if you think wearing a slutty outfit to work is ‘fun’. And I don’t think its entertaining for some stupid little tramp of a waitress to sit and flirt with my husband or boyfriend.”

    A slutty outfit huh? What do you wear to the beach? I’m just disgusted with your comment. “Some stupid little tramp” ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Why in the world would you say something like that? Do you not get that the girls that work there aren’t after your husband or boyfriend? They don’t want him, believe me they’re much more interested in other things. Like school, money and paying bills. These girls are mothers who DONT DEPEND ON HELP FROM THE TAX PAYERS, these girls are college students who need help paying bills or for college, these girls are possibly YOUR NEIGHBOR, or dare I say your future daughter! GASP!!! I highly doubt you’d go to a girl who works there say what you said to her and walk away from that feeling good about yourself. I would feel ashamed of myself for saying something like that to someone. Then again it’s your opinion and sadly you’re entilted to it.

  302. Kim March 26th, 2009 8:33 pm

    I always find it amusing when a female tries to defend something that is degrading to other females. And, my information comes from the corporate office.

  303. Da'Nika March 26th, 2009 9:48 pm

    Omg thank you sooo much Priscilla I think you said it all.

  304. Cortney March 27th, 2009 6:57 am

    I’m not proud to admit this, but I interviewed at a Hooters in town about a year ago. The interview went real well, the managers loved my personality and the customers in the place that I’d talked to before told them I was great. Everything went smoothly until they told me I had to try the uniform on first. This was their deciding factor. I was told my the managers that my thighs were a little too “thick” and that if I lost about 5 lbs to slim them down, I could come back. I’m Cuban, so thickness is what we’re all about. I don’t see where Pricislla can say they don’t make you try the outfit on first…unless you go in wearing almost nothing, they have to see what it’s going to look like. Hooters is based on appearance, they have performance reviews every six months to make sure the girls still look good. If something’s changed, they are given 30 days to fix it or they get the boot. My source for information? Former Hooters Girls for friends. Thanks.

  305. Priscilla March 27th, 2009 10:01 am

    Cortney, My name is Priscilla and I worked at Hooters for over 2 years. That is where I get MY information. Not from ‘friends’. Oh and when I had both of my interviews it was middle of winter and I wore a sweater and jeans both times. So I don’t really think that qualifies as ‘next to nothing’. I worked in a Corporate store and I know how the rules are. By no means are managers to make the girl try on a the uniform in an interview. And Kim, what corporate office are you talking about? The rules for EVERY corporate store are the same. Nationwide. I’ve been and worked in several Hooters, some corporate and some franchise. Maybe you’re thinking of a franchise store. They have the basic rules but are run by someone who BOUGHT the name “Hooters” and basically runs it the way the see fit. So maybe your ‘corporate’ office is not even part of the actual corporate stores. Check your info. I worked for one of the biggest sticklers on weight and how a girl looked in her uniform and she and all of the other managers I’ve worked for NEVER made a girl try on the uniform before hand. And yes they can ask you to loose weight IF you’re working there. You sign a contract about your appearance. Also by NO means do our managers say we have to be ‘ok’ with sexual harassment. If someone, a customer or employee, steps out of line with a girl they are immediately asked to leave and are usually banned from the store. But whatever. I think there are far more important things to be worried about in this world than Hooters. I’m preparing for my husbands deployment to Afghanistan and this is just mind boggling that this is an issue. HA. My husband gives me the right to work at Hooters. He gives you the right to bash the girls who work there and he gives you the right to speak your mind. Maybe we should get our minds onto more important things like supporting our troops and praying for the end of a war…just a thought.

  306. Kim March 27th, 2009 9:05 pm

    The corporate office in Atlanta. And, maybe, youre right…Hooters isnt worth it. Thanks Cortney for the clarification, and glad you are not working there anymore. Im done with this topic.

  307. katherin April 16th, 2009 6:38 am

    I completely agree. It is borderline to a strip joint/porn. I am with you!

  308. Ash April 23rd, 2009 2:24 am

    lol you women are so insecure and jealous that your husbands stare at cute young girls. close to a strip club? PLLEEAASSEE go take your sheltered self and please your husband for once.

    its a freakin restaurant…get over yourself. Just because they got it does not mean they should not flaunt it and make money off married horny men wanting some chicken wings and a cold brew while having a cute girl serve it to them.

  309. Ash April 23rd, 2009 2:31 am

    And your daughter becoming self cautious because of a restaurant? lol its like that everywhere. So I guess make her stop going to school, watching tv, and reading magazines if she cant even look at a fully dressed waitress.

    Of course your son is going to notice a cute girl. He is male afterall. Whats wrong with that?

  310. Ash April 23rd, 2009 2:34 am

    And your daughter becoming self cautious because of a restaurant? lol its like that everywhere. So I guess make her stop going to school, watching tv, and reading magazines if she cant even look at a fully dressed waitress.

    Of course your son is going to notice a cute girl. He is male afterall. Whats wrong with that? Sex is not a sin.

    It is NOTHING like a strip club, that sounds so insanely stupid and narrow minded. Whats wrong with a beautiful woman making money from men that want a cold brew and chicken wings while enjoying the view?

    If anything your husband will finally get turned on and come home to you because its not like they have lapdances in the back room.

    If cute girls got it, then flaunt it with confidence and celebrate the womanly curvacious body.

  311. gretchen April 23rd, 2009 7:27 am

    Ash – you’ve missed my point entirely.

  312. Priscilla April 23rd, 2009 4:46 pm

    I also don’t think she gets what you’re saying, but not everyone will. Yes, Hooters isn’t for everyone. Yes, more than not, men go to look at the girls and get some pretty good food and beer. But with my experience working there and also working at other eating establishments, I can honestly say I was hit on more at the other places than while I was Hooters. It’s your right to not approve. I don’t approve of stripping or prostitution. And lets get this straight, working at Hooters is NOT anywhere near like being a stripper or a prostitute, so please don’t compare the 2. It’s really offensive. We aren’t taking our clothes off for men or women, we aren’t giving out lap dances and we surely aren’t performing sex acts for money. So please, stop comparing it to that.
    I completely understand you not wanting to take your children or yourselves there. I was really uncomfortable going to Hooters before I worked there. I had it in my mind that all the girls there wanted my husband and were the worst women in the world. Once I started working there I felt really silly for judging these girls and who they are before even knowing them. Like I said before, most of these girls are putting themselves through college, like I was. Yes we know there are many other jobs out there. But not a lot of jobs will have flexible schedules when it comes to school, that’s why I quit my job for Hoots. I’m glad I worked there. I have some amazing friends, who were in my wedding, who will be there for me when I have my first child and who will be there for me when my husband leaves for Afghan in 3 months. These are compassionate, caring and amazing women. I’m sure my words will be twisted into something completely ridiculous, but all I’m saying is, don’t judge these women. There are far worse people in this world to worry about than a Hooters Girl.
    Remember judge not, that yet be not judged….

  313. gretchen April 23rd, 2009 4:59 pm

    Priscilla – I agree with you. I am not against those who work there. I am against the concept of Hooters.

  314. Da'Nika May 1st, 2009 10:51 pm

    Um Cortney I dont know what hooters you applied at but the one I work at never made me try on the uniform at the end of my interview. Katherin have you ever been inside a hooters? By no means is it anywhere near a strip club or porn for that a matter. I enjoy working there very much and both of my parents approve. My dad is a minister and he thought the exact same thing you did but that was before i had him go in there and no he sees that its fine and no at all what he thought so Katherin what I’m trying to say is dont knock it until you try it.

  315. Lee May 8th, 2009 9:43 pm

    I would NEVER judge any woman for working at the restaurant. However, the establishment itself is incredibly offensive to me because it was created by men basically for men, with the exploitation of women’s bodies. I support any woman who wants to or has worked there, and I consider it EQUALLY offensive for people to judge these women.

    Still, there needs to be more education on the destruction that our culture’s beauty myths have created. The “typical” man’s ideals in a woman (at least according to current stereotypes) need to be challenged and boys need to grow up learning how to give complete respect to women. “Biological tendencies” are no excuse for men to objectify women, and big breasts is just the current trend in ideals- men have been TAUGHT by our current culture to want this just as they were taught in the victorian era to like women covered up, and taught to like small breasts in the 1920s. We need to start focusing on different values if gender equality is going to improve at all.

  316. gretchen May 8th, 2009 10:19 pm

    Great comments Lee – I totally agree. We have to reshape minds before we see any sort of material results. Thanks for posting that. ;)

  317. Tessa June 15th, 2009 3:58 pm

    Gretchen, If you had ever been to a Hooters you would know that all the servers come in all shapes & sizes & not just thier chest size. Women are choosing to work there & no one is exploiting them.If anyone would like to go on a corp. web site for Hooters it is anything but close to porn. The uniform they wear came from the 80′s it was taken from a receptionist who went for a jog every day in this exact work out suit. This was the classic look of the 80′s. the diffrence is the servers must wear a dance tight under the shorts so they dont show too much bare leg.Richard simmons use to wear the same shorts in his work out videos no one ever thought it looked like porn. Becareful how you judge these nice young ladies who are putting them selves through school, supporting their children, and paying bills like everyone else. some have become doctors, teachers, succesful people in the community you & I live in.Hooters supports all kinds of community outreach programs,Breast cancer reserch,disabled,and many many more,not for the media but strictly because it’s the right thing to do. If all of you can say you do these things and try to help other when no one else will then you can pass judgement!!!!!!

  318. gretchen June 15th, 2009 4:49 pm

    I am not against anyone who works there, I am against Hooters as a concept. Just because they do nice things doesn’t exempt them from the big picture. Hugh Hefner has done some nice things and given money to charity as well…does that make him any less of a pervert? :-?

    It really amazes me sometimes how much we women are willing to accept as the “norm”. To each her own, but I still can’t accept Hooters as anything other than a company that exploits women’s sexuality for the pleasure of men.

  319. Bop August 23rd, 2009 3:50 pm

    For all of those out there who feel the need to tell gretchen your opinion in hopes of swaying hers…you wont. dont try, because any of your ideas will be crushed.

  320. gretchen August 24th, 2009 11:38 am

    Just because people have opinions doesn’t mean they can’t change their minds. No one has given me a solid reason to change my opinion on Hooters yet. Do you have one?

  321. Lida August 31st, 2009 11:00 pm

    I’ll say this: first of all it’s always been a man who would invent something that would please them-men! and i am sick of that! ok,how is that there’s no restaurant where sexy,hot guys serving the food to us -women? ha? what is up with that? and some people are stupid,when they think we talk about guys walking in hooters like outfits,oh come on!usually, those dumb comments are made by men,because they would be so jealous and mad if restaurant like that would even exist!and they always say,oh i would never visit place like that!well of course you wouldn’t,but what makes you think that we women wanna visit and “eat” at place like Hooters?? i’ve got nothing from staring at some butt cheeks and boobs while i’m eating!how about looking at some buffed,hot,sexy hunks?! ;)well,that’s different story..oh yeah they wouldn’t be right about fact that their women go to those kind of places to eat,but then they expect from us to not make a big deal out of it if they visit Hooters and stare at those bimbos!oh come on,guys don’t even go there to eat,we know why they visit those places! because,let me tell you,that food there is horrible!so, like some of you said,that place is just another kind of a strip bar!and i also think it should be illegal to call that place a “family restaurant”,because that’s just not it!it just pisses me off because men always want their women to accept the things that they think are acceptable..for an example,how many times you have a guy with you,and he sees a pretty girl or a woman,he would say:wow she is pretty or sexy or whatever,and if a woman makes a comment like:well why are you telling me that,i’m sorry that’s just disrespectful towards me,he would say oh why are you jelaous? but if we would make same kind of comment in front of him about some hot ass guy,the answer you get from them is: whoa,i am not a gay!i’m not gonna comment his looks! i know that a lot of you here know what is my point in writing all this!i’m just trying to find a way of getting some kind of loan,so i can open up a first MALE VERSION OF HOOTERS! guys wouldn’t be wearing some tight shorts,of course,it’s dumb to even consider that,we would come up with something eventually! ;) and another thing:that place wouldn’t be called “family restaurant”..and,no one under 18,how about that? i mean, come on ladies,why we always gotta accept mens’ rules,how about we put up some womens’ rules too,and then there’s gonna be EQUALITY!

  322. Lida August 31st, 2009 11:14 pm

    and in respond to miss Ash..first of all,we women are not insecure for saying these things.first of all i am very self confident 27 year old gal,with fantastic looks,so there is nothing out there to scare me off! second,what you said about horny ,married men coming to those restaurants to please themselves,you think that’s acceptable!??are you trying to say that you would be completely “cool”with your horny husband going to that kind of place for his pleasure? come on girl,think about it! oh well, that’s why this world is so dirty,because they let places like hooters and strip joints being operated!too bad horny,and never satisfied men rule the world!

  323. gretchen September 1st, 2009 7:31 am

    Lida – while I agree with you for the most part, I would prefer we not call the ladies who work their “bimbos”. I used to think that way, too, but I’ve realized that they are women just like me and there’s no point in degrading my own sex even further with names I wouldn’t want to be called myself.

    As for a “restaurant for women” that shows hot guys? No thanks. I’m not even interested in going to strip clubs. That doesn’t do it for me. True romance and pure sexual desire come from a solid relationship (you know… good old fashioned talking, working and playing together) – not from what pop culture tries to tell us is “entertainment”.

    I do agree that this is a male idea and the entire concept of Hooters is designed to feed male ego and desire. It is unfortunate that so many women buy into the lie that it’s a “family restaurant” and that exposing children to “Hooters culture” is ok. :(

  324. Priscilla September 1st, 2009 2:53 pm

    Lida….Why are the women that work at Hooters bimbos? I myself worked there for over 2 years, (and LOVED it) and I’m working on my 2nd college degree. So does that mean I’m still a bimbo? Also most of the women that work for Hooters are in COLLEGE. I’ve met more women that work at Hooters that are more college educated than the average person. And to call us bimbos is just disrespectful. Also get off the crap about it being like a strip club. We don’t take our clothes off for money. We don’t walk around topless. If going to Hooters is like a strip club what do you call going to the beach or pool? A lot less is covered up there. As for the food part not every restaurant is going to please everyones taste in food. I don’t like Red Lobster. But I wouldn’t go around talking bad about it because I don’t like the food there. And with the age limit on people being let in are you kidding me? Get real. It’s an eating establishment. It’s not a club or bar. A lot of the women that work there are mothers. And I don’t and never will get why it’s not ‘acceptable’ for children to go into Hooters. You think Hooters makes the world dirty…? Umm let me tell you this… if you think Hooters is the reason why the world is filled with filth then you need to start reading and watching the news more. I don’t see Hooters on the news being blamed for crimes against children, women, men or the world. I do see Hooters raising money for Breast Cancer research, Bikes for Tykes and tons of other local charities. But I guess that’s filthy. Like I’ve said before we have far more bigger things to worry about in this world than Hooters. I’m terrified that my unborn child is going to come into a war stricken world. I’m terrified that my child won’t ever get to meet his/her dad because he’s off in Afghanistan fighting to keep us safe. Fighting to keep you able to run your mouth about the women who work and take care of their families the way you all take care of yours. But that’s just me worrying about the bigger picture.
    Gretchen, through all of these posts I have to say thank you. You’ve not once name called or put women down for working there. I respect the fact that you don’t want your children in there. I respect that you’re trying to protect your children. I can’t dislike someone for that.

  325. gretchen September 1st, 2009 3:21 pm

    Thanks for your support Priscilla. I respect your position and I do see where you are coming from. No Hooters isn’t the root of all things evil in the world, but I still feel if women could be paid what they are worth, we wouldn’t need places like Hooters to provide women the means to get higher education.

    Like you, I can’t fight all of the evil in the world that I’d like to protect my kids from so I pick my battles. I’m not sorry I picked Hooters. Especially after what I saw on Sunday in my local walmart. It saddens me at what we consider “acceptable” these days.

  326. Da'Nika September 1st, 2009 5:14 pm

    I just wanted to say that Gretchen I respect your decision and I have to agree with Priscilla that I’m very thankful that you have not once called us any derogatory names. Lida just to let you know I’m a 18 year old college freshman at UNLV, I’m pre-law and I’ve worked at Hooter for over a year now so I really don’t appreciate being called “Bimbo” just because I chose to work at a certain restaurant. I graduated in the top 25% of my high school class so if I must say so myself I think I’m far from a “Bimbo.”

  327. Lida September 3rd, 2009 8:34 am

    OK,OK…i apologize girls for using that word,honestly…and it doesn’t have to mean that only dumb women are bimbos,smart ones can be too.being that has to do with their personality,not the brains!and today, everyone is in college anyway,so that’s nothing new,so are the dancers in strip clubs :)and i’m not afraid to admit that for some time i was thinking about working at that place only because i heard that you can earn really good money there.is that true? but then, i had a friend who started working at Hooters,and not even month after that,she got slapped on her butt by one of the(i can’t remember now,was it a customer or one of the male employees)but anyways,she quit the same day! she said she couldn’t believe,that they would let that kind of thing happen there!she is originally from Turkey,and she is stunningly gorgeous woman,and where we’re coming from(i’m from Bosnia)we simply have little bit more of self-respect when it comes to things like that..and she also told me,her impression was,that you have to be at least a lil bit of a “bimbo” to fit in there!and it somehow made sense to me,because what kind of girl would accept those kind of things?but then, the whole point of this is,that we are not accusing only places like Hooters..also strip bars,pornography,and all that dirty crap(excuse my language),everything is invented FOR A MAN’S DAMN PLEASURE!and i’m sorry girls,you all look sexy and cute in those outfits,but i still think that shouldn’t be a family place..just like somebody here said,of course we can’t put the end to all those “dirty inventions” but why encourage it??

  328. Priscilla September 3rd, 2009 3:00 pm

    I’m going to go ahead and say that not everyone is in college these days. I know plenty of people that aren’t in college and never went and never plan to go. So to discredit being in college is kind of silly. Going to college is a pretty big deal to me and to most people I know. Especially since this is a topic about women and equality. And for the employee or customer slapping the girl on the butt, unfortunately that happens in all work places. It happened when I worked for Wachovia and an employee was fired. I’ll be the first to say that Managers at Hooters, especially the ones I worked for are more for the girls than the other employees and especially the customers. We had an incident where the Hooters girl wasn’t even touched but was uncomfortable by something an employee said and he was fired on the spot. But like I said, that happens at every job, it’s not just a Hooters isolated incident. As for the self respect are you saying we don’t have self respect because we’re not from another country? And the ‘bimbo’ personality comment. I’ve never acted like a bimbo at work. Not once. You do however have to have a fun personality to really like that job. The personality I have for work is the same I have for every day life…positive and fun. And yes, you can make good money there. But it depends on how well you treat your customers. Just like any other table waiting job. As for porn and strip clubs you do know that it’s also for women too…right? There are male strip clubs and there’s definitely tons of porn geared towards women….
    It’s 2009, as much as we’d like the world to be less perverted it’s never going to happen and Hooters isn’t the reason for that. Do you think that the world went ‘dirty’ in 1983 when Hooters first opened? I don’t think so. The world was like that way before Hooters was thought of.
    I still don’t understand why you think because we wear tank tops and shorts to work that it’s not a place for children. I’ve seen far less on people at the beach and in malls so are you going to stop taking your kids to those places…?

  329. Da'Nika September 3rd, 2009 6:57 pm

    Lida if college was that easy to get into than everyone would have a college degree and I also like you compared me to a stripper. I agree with Priscilla that I just have a very fun and easy going personality but that’s how I am even when I’m not at work. Since I work at Hooters and I’m from a different country as you, you’re going to say that I don’t have any self respect? Sorry to say this but I feel as though that was a very ignorant statement to make!

  330. Lida September 4th, 2009 6:14 am

    well,honestly i apologize if i offended you girls,i don’t know,i guess then i just got wrong impression,and yes you are right,Priscilla,the sexual harassment happens everywhere,but it just seemed to me that at Hooters in particular there were more tolerant towards that,that’s why i was thinking:what a hell?? lol..but i appreciate your answers,and honestly i would like to experience it for myself,and see if i like it or not.i’ve been in restaurant bussines for 3 years now. also in school,and i have awesome personality and great looks,so, i might just make loads of money then.. :) and,when it comes to the comment that i made about self-respect thing,i don’t know,honestly i noticed that most women here(again,i didn’t say that all of them are that way)are way more promiscuous,i’m sorry to say that..and actually the sad part is ,that in last 10-15 yrs,women kinda getting same way in my country just because they think that’s cool and sexy?!and that makes me mad..i’m not saying that woman should be covered from head to toe,just like in some of the middle eastern countries,and just shut her mouth and listen blindly to whatever her usually dumb husband says! lol.. but then again,i think we should still keep decent amount of self-respect,that way woman is even more appealing.. ;)

  331. Sam September 15th, 2009 3:48 pm

    We need to work together to get rid of Hooters. We also need to demand that all beaches outlaw bikinis. Women shouldn’t have the right to work in a place that requires them to wear jogging shorts and a tank top. We need to teach our children that anyone who works at hooters or doesn’t cover up is promiscuous. Women should not have freedom in the clothes they wear and should no longer be aloud to vote.

    Jeez people hooters in no different than any other sports bar! If you haven’t been inside Hooters and your judging it by what the media tells you, your nothing but a sheep and deserve to eat what you’re fed. If you have a problem with the Hooters restaurant but support the Olympics, Mrs. America, or the Movie industry, you aren’t in reality and cant be reasoned with.

  332. gretchen September 15th, 2009 4:01 pm

    Ok now I gotta ask…since a few keep saying it’s not about what they wear or how they look and it’s no different than a sports bar… then why not let the guys wait tables? Let them wear the shorts and tank tops… and how about the transgender folks? Let’s include them, too. If it’s not about objectifying women and their anatomy, then let’s just open the positions up for everyone.

    Now let’s suppose we did that… would Hooters be just as profitable? Would it be considered a “family restaurant” then? Or would their sales tank because they are no longer making a buck off of using women as sex objects to attract business?

  333. Sam September 15th, 2009 6:31 pm

    Objectifying women? What do you think the Olympics and Mrs. America are about? Nobody is forcing women to work at Hooters. Should we really take away a woman’s right to celebrate her sexuality? Are you saying that they aren’t smart enough to decide weather or not they want to work at Hooters? Hooters isn’t the only one making a buck. What about the Hooters girls? They make good money. Some women enjoy celebrating their sexuality and Hooters gives them a safe place where they can do this and make money. Its no different than putting on make up to look pretty for a job interview. The Hooters uniform is the clothing you would see a woman wearing while jogging. Children wont think twice about the uniform unless somebody tells them its bad. If you tell a child its bad what kind of a message are you sending them? People who wear jogging attire are objectifying themselves? What happens when that child grows older and decides to go to Hooters only to find its just another sports bar? That child may wonder why his or her parents lied and wonder what other lessons they lied about.

    Are men aloud to compete in woman’s sports in the Olympics? Are men aloud to compete for Mrs. America? Why cant men work as a waiter at Hooters as a waitress? Men can work as cooks, managers, promoters among other jobs inside of Hooters. Why should Hooters have to allow men to wear woman’s clothing or change their uniform? Can you imagine a man in nylons which is a requirement of the uniform? If it was a problem the EEOC would have charged Hooters years ago.

    As far as transgenders, they can work at Hooters if they have undergone the sex change and their drivers license says female.

    Anyone who has not visited Hooters does not know what its all about and has no room to talk. Like any franchise some may may be different than others.If your speaking generally about the Hooters franchise and you haven’t been in a single one, you just don’t know what your talking about.

  334. gretchen September 17th, 2009 11:55 am

    If you read through this entire thread (I know it’s long), you would see that it isn’t just about the uniform. It’s about the whole concept of Hooters and what they promote.

    And no, I’m not a fan of the pageants.

    So you’re saying you don’t want men to wait tables? Why not? What if they wore the equivalent of men’s sports clothes? Shouldn’t they be allowed to wait tables, too? I mean if the waitresses are getting all that money, then aren’t the men being discriminated against or unfairly paid?

  335. Priscilla September 17th, 2009 11:15 pm

    My question about men working for Hooters is this…if you want men to work at Hooters do you also want them to be Rockettes and on the cover of Sports Illustrated and men as Bunnies in the Playboy bars/clubs? The Rockettes are all female dancers, SI only has women on their covers and the Bunnies are only female. The reason why Hooters won’t ever hire men is because they have BFOQ. They are allowed to only hire women for a certain job. They don’t have to hire men because it would basically make them go out of business. Men only want to challenge Hooters to get attention and to get money out of it. I mean, if we started letting men work at Hooters then we shouldn’t have seperate sports. Women should be allowed in the NFL, NHL, MLB and so on. We shouldn’t have women’s events and men’s events in the Olympics. We should let women be in the Special Forces for the Army, Navy Seals for the Navy and so on. I don’t see too many people complaining about women not being allowed to be SF or a Seal or play for their favorite ALL MALE professional sports team.
    I honestly don’t get the fuss over the uniform or the concept. Also, when a Hooters Girl is working while pregnant, and yes you’re allowed to work there when you’re pregnant, we wear a different uniform which consists of a white or black Hooters T-shirt, black shorts, white socks, white shoes and hose. Same tshirts the cooks wear and customers buy. So is that bad? I may not work there anymore but it’s where I made some of my best friends, met my husband and made my living for 2 years. I will always defend it and the girls who work there.

  336. Priscilla September 17th, 2009 11:20 pm

    Oh and also the cooks and managers at Hooters make GREAT money as well. They also have perks to their jobs. Just like the Hooters Girls. When a new store is opening and you’re a corporate trainer as a cook and manager you get to travel to store openings and train employees. Several of the cooks I worked with got to go to Israel, South Africa, California, Neveda and several other amazing places. So it’s not just the Hootes Girls getting the benefits of working there. The guys who work there get to cash in on great oppurtunites and pay as well. Just thought you should know.

  337. gretchen September 18th, 2009 7:37 am

    You said “The reason why Hooters won’t ever hire men is because they have BFOQ. They are allowed to only hire women for a certain job. They don’t have to hire men because it would basically make them go out of business.”

    My point exactly. And just to clarify, I don’t mean make the men wear women’s clothing. I simply meant let them wear the male equivalent and do the same job. What’s the harm? Oh right…Hooters would go out of business. ;)

    As far as men and women competing in the same sports, special forces, etc….take a look around this web site. There are a LOT of post and comment discussion about this topic. It’s not an uncommon subject. And quite frankly we are a long way from that ever happening. Especially when there are still Olympic sports that women aren’t allowed to even compete in period. :(

  338. Sam September 22nd, 2009 11:57 pm

    Bottom line…If you haven’t been in a Hooters, you have no room to talk. Its a family restaurant and there is no reason not to try it and see for your self. Men can and do work at Hooters, they just cant be a “Hooters Girl”. Gretchen, I hope you know that your husband probably does go to Hooters and I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes your daughter. Remember, If you haven’t been inside than you have no idea what your talking about.

  339. kel1 September 23rd, 2009 9:44 am

    Wow, Sam, that’s quite an off-the-wall assumption, that Gretchen’s husband goes to Hooters and takes her daughter. Do you know Gretchen’s husband? Are you assuming that most men probably go to Hooters secretly, behind their wives’ backs, even going to the extreme of taking their minor daughters with them? If that’s the case, then obviously they know they’re doing something wrong by keeping it such a huge secret…akin to cheating on one’s spouse.

    Let’s see…if you haven’t been in a Hooters (even though you’ve researched the company, been to the website and seen how they choose to represent themselves), you have no room to talk.

    If you haven’t been to the Playboy mansion, you have no room to talk. If you haven’t been to the strip club, you have no room to talk. If you haven’t tried “fill-in-the-blank,” you have no room to talk.

    This is the same, tired old load of crap that people like to throw out there in effort to justify their own actions. That’s fine if you want to do it, I’m just telling you it won’t hold water.

  340. gretchen September 23rd, 2009 9:50 am

    Sam – it might surprise you, but there ARE men out there who DO NOT GO TO HOOTERS! They have never been in one and have no desire to go to one. These are normal, every day family men who disagree with Hooters on the same principles that we do.

    So I should go to a Hooters and “try it”… You know I’ve been telling my kids not to do drugs and smoke crack, but maybe I should try it first so I have “room to talk”. /:)

  341. Sam September 29th, 2009 2:53 am

    Playboy mansion, strip club, crack? Are you comparing those to a family restaurant? That makes no sense. Researching the company and visiting the website tells you nothing about the atmosphere of your local restaurant. Do you think the Hooters girls look like the girls on the website? I don’t think my assumptions “are off-the-wall.” I said her husband probably does go to Hooters not that he did. I never said I thought most men secretly go to hooters, I never said most men do anything. The reason I made the assumption with Gretchen was because her daughter says “Oh. Daddy would probably like that.” OK, a ten year old able to recognize that her father likes attractive women with big boobs. I feel it’s safe to assume he’s checking out girls in front of his daughter. So why would he have a problem going to Hooters? And why wouldn’t I be surprised if he took his daughter? Obviously the little girl knows her fathers sexual preferences. It sounds to me like Gretchen is the only one in the family that doesn’t like Hooters. Is this little girl used to seeing her dad check out attractive women with big boobs? In my opinion, the lessons being taught to this little girl are far worse than a family trip to Hooters could ever be.

  342. gretchen September 29th, 2009 9:29 am

    I find it terribly amusing that we are still referring it to a “family restaurant”. For real?

    My daughter is old enough to recognize that men like women and women like men. That is evident in the world around her. It is only logical for her to assume her dad is attracted to women. She also sees him be affectionate with me and I am obviously female so she again makes that connection.

    He does not go to Hooters and he would tell you that his reasoning is that it’s not a family restaurant and it is not appropriate to sexualize young children by exposing them to the innuendos and such of that atmosphere.

    And if I can’t tell what Hooters is like from their web site then they have some seriously misleading advertising going on there. ;)

  343. kel1 September 29th, 2009 9:29 am

    Again, you’re making broad assumptions.

    I think pretty much any 11-year-old girl who is surrounded by the culture at large would make the assumption that a man likes large breasts. All she would have to do is watch TV or look in a magazine. Her comment was more of one on the culture at large as opposed to her making judgments about her own father’s sexual preferences.

    Hooters is not a “family restaurant.” Those who work there might claim that it is because some families go there, but it would be a stretch to say that they exude “family values.” I had to laugh at your comment that we have to go to the local restaurant to get the actual representation of what Hooters is…after Hooters has spent millions marketing BOOBS to the American (and worldwide) market. I’m pretty sure Hooters corporate and their websites accurately represent the ideas of the company. If the local Hooters restaurant doesn’t believe in the corporate philosophies, then why are they still a member of the Hooters franchise?

  344. kel1 September 29th, 2009 9:30 am

    Ha! Gretchen, we posted at the exact same time. :D

  345. Priscilla September 29th, 2009 5:25 pm

    What are the ‘family values’ that you’re talking about? And if families go there every single day why isn’t it considered a family restaurant? Families go to Olive Garden and Applebees daily and those are considered family restuarants. Hooters isn’t in that category because of….?
    And it’s not fair to say that all men are attracted to women with huge boobs. My husband for one, is totally against me getting implants after I have our baby. He doesn’t like big boobs. He does however stand behind how I feel and how it will make me feel. I know lots of women who work/worked at Hooters who were seriously lacking in that department but because they had amazing personalities it worked for them. I myself don’t have huge boobs. They’re average. Nothing special about them. I didn’t make my money because I had huge boobs. I have a GREAT personality. I know how to make people laugh, feel welcome and have a good experience.

  346. gretchen September 29th, 2009 5:57 pm

    It’s not a family restaurant because when I go to Cheddars or Appleby’s, I don’t have to hear my CHILD order sexual innuendo foods like a “More than a mouthful” burger or have it “all the way”.

    And why do you feel the need to get implants? Has the Hooters culture and mainstream media made you feel like they need to be bigger? That’s not meant to be sarcastic or hurtful – I’m just downright curious since you brought it up.

  347. Priscilla September 30th, 2009 5:19 pm

    In the 2 years that I worked at Hooters I’ve never had someone order that burger “all the way” I’ve sold countless burgers. Anyway.
    No, Hooters and mainstream media has not made me feel like I need implants. This is a body image issue I’ve had since high school. I’m not proportioned right. I have average boobs and a larger butt. Makes me look silly. And makes me feel unattractive and weird. I’m a very big believer in getting elective surgeries done to make your self esteem improve. I’ve felt out of place all my life with my female friends. Getting implants to even out my body would make my self esteem be at the level I think it should be at. Like I’ve said before, my husband doesn’t think I need them. He’s actually against it but says if it’s going to make me feel better about myself then he will stand behind my decision. So I plan to get them about 8 months after little one is born.

  348. gretchen September 30th, 2009 5:23 pm

    I appreciate your honesty in answering my question. But where do you think your body image issues stem from? Don’t you think it comes from how the media and how our culture says we should look?

  349. Priscilla September 30th, 2009 8:34 pm

    No not at all. My body issues stem from looking at myself in the mirror and not feeling good about myself. I could absolutely care less what the media or culture has to say about how we should look. I don’t live my life based on media/culture. I also don’t make decisions that big based on what other people think. If that were the case I wouldn have bleach blonde hair, perfectly tanned, my nails done, and always well manicured. BUT I have brown hair with red hi-lights, tattoos, and hardly ever get my nails done. But like I said, I don’t do things for other people…I do them for me and what I think is best for me. And of course my husband has his opinions which are usually the same as mine but when/if we differ I always take in consideration what he has to say.

  350. gretchen October 1st, 2009 8:07 am

    You have to be be comparing yourself to *something* for you to think it needs to be changed. That works for anything, not just body parts. You have to see something different and compare it to your own reality before you can decide what you think about it. Don’t you think?

  351. Priscilla October 2nd, 2009 12:22 am

    No not at all. I don’t need to compare myself to anything to know how I feel. I felt this way in high school. In high school I hardly ever watched tv, read magazines and was caught up in celebrities or the media. I was more into maintaining my GPA, being on the SGA, Captain of the Varsity Soccer team, being 1st chair in our orchestra, being an active member of Key Club and also working on our newspaper staff. So I was busy. This is a body image issue that has been with me for a very long time. It’s not about comparing myself to others. I don’t care about what others look like. I want to feel comfortable in my own skin. I want to be able to feel good about myself. There isn’t any one person I’d want to look like. Same reason why women who have really large breasts get reductions…it’s about feeling good in your own skin…being comfortable. I doubt those women really care what size boobs Pamela Anderson has…ya know?

  352. gretchen October 2nd, 2009 7:45 am

    Priscilla I’m just not buying it. In order to have an opinion about yourself you have to develop ideas. That development comes from your environment and the things you choose to give attention to or study. You may not have watched tv or read a lot of magazines, but that doesn’t make you immune to the effects of other factors in your path. And culture doesn’t stop with just those media outlets. Peer talk, comments and discussions with family or friends, or even a quick trip through the aisles of a local department store are enough to put thoughts of comparison in anyone’s head. To say you came up with the idea to get implants on your own is a little far fetched to me. That’s about like saying I woke up today and decided I want to dye my skin green. I’m not trying to be mean, I’m just not buying into your reasoning.

    You say you have tattoos because you “don’t make decisions that big based on what other people think” but since you didn’t invent the tattoo, I think it’s safe to say you saw them on someone else and decided to get your own because it looked cool. I’m certain you didn’t get the same design in the same spot, but the idea to get a tattoo came from seeing someone else who had one.

  353. Priscilla October 2nd, 2009 2:55 pm

    Well it’s a good thing that I don’t need to prove my feelings or thoughts to you. I’m also offended by you basically saying I can’t think for myself. Trust me, I’ve NEVER seen anyone with the tattoos I have. Yes, people have tattoos in the same spots but all mine were drawn by me (took MANY years of art) and were refined by the tattoo artist. So I can say mine are original and the rest of mine will be MY works of art. As for me wanting breast implants in high school breast implants weren’t ever a topic. I’ve always wanted bigger boobs. I don’t really care if you’re ‘buying into my reasoning’. I don’t need to see others to build an opinion on MY feelings. I also don’t see why it’s so far fetched to have formed my own opinion.

  354. gretchen October 2nd, 2009 3:00 pm

    I’m sorry that offended you. I never said you couldn’t think for yourself. I merely suggested that getting a tattoo was an idea you probably formed by seeing someone else with a tattoo. That’s a reasonable assumption, right? That’s great that you have original artwork (I’m all for that!), but the thought of inking yourself was probably influenced by culture.

  355. kasey November 2nd, 2009 5:02 pm

    haha what a quinky dink my dad always went to hooters… then he cheated on my mom when she was deathly ill and when she somewhat recovered she caught him cheating on her. now there divorced and it is terrible to have divorced parents.

    *****kasey*****

  356. Tosha November 16th, 2009 8:36 pm

    I think this whole thread is really a waste of time and energy. I am also a Hooters Girl. I’ve been employed for nearly a year and have taken care of many families. The uniforms we wear are not any different than walking down the street on a warm summer day. And if you’re going to boycott Hooters because of the negative sex appeal, then how about we boycott nearly half of the television programs and magazines avalible to anyone, including children. If you keep things from your children they are more likely going to want to experience it. And I’ve also noticed as a Hooter Girl that grow men who have never been to Hooters before think they are allowed to say more derogatory things than our “regulars” or people who have been to Hooters before. If you socialize your children into society rather than keeping them from a little clevage they will be a more well rounded individual growing up. Because like it or not, its going to be there. Example: If you keep a young boy from Hooters he’s going to grow up thinking. Man, I can’t wait to go there when I’m old enough to go out on my own, there’s gotta be something that those girls do why mom and dad won’t let me go. OR You can expose your children to Hooters, explain to them that the girls are real people trying to make a living. The second child is going to be more respectable to at least us Hooters Girls when he get older. Suggestion: at least try it before you judge it.

  357. kel1 November 17th, 2009 1:59 pm

    If the thread is a waste of time and energy, why did you expend yours by saying the exact same thing every other Hooters girl has said here?

    First, we’re not boycotting Hooters here. We’re saying it’s part of a cultural mindset that objectifies and degrades women (yes, like many of the magazines and TV programs out there). There are many TV programs I don’t allow my children to watch, because they’re kids and they’re impressionable. And there are many magazines that I know would not be productive to my daughter’s self image, so I don’t buy them for her. As parents, it’s our job to instill certain values and self-respect into our kids. “Socializing” children by taking them to Hooters so they can see how men ogle women is, in my opinion, not the brightest way to do that. There is no way we can keep our daughters and sons from seeing the over-sexualized images our culture throws at them every day, but we can certainly let them know that it’s not just “the way things have to be” or that “it’s just a little cleavage, no big deal.”

    I have to say, I’m finding it laughable that you’re equating exposure to Hooters and cleavage as making a person a “well-rounded” individual. Seriously? THAT is what passes for being “well-rounded?”

    The way I think men can be respectable to women is to not frequent a Hooters. In that way, he’s not participating in the objectification of women in society, and he will treat women as people, not as eye-candy.

    And oh yes, it’s a requirement that we try “every* activity before we decide it’s not constructive. Good to know.

    I have an acquaintance who is looking for work right now, and he considered applying at a Hooters for a management position. However, once he went to their website and saw how they market themselves as a corporation, he decided against it, because he couldn’t see himself telling people “I manage a Hooters” when they asked him what he did for a living. People KNOW the stigma attached to the restaurant, and any self-respecting (and female-respecting) male is wise to refrain from frequenting places where women are objectified.

  358. Coral November 22nd, 2009 1:58 pm

    For everyone that is in such hate of hooters. I am a 32 a bra and 115 pounds and am a “hooter girl” for the hooters in oceanside so obviously boob jobs have nothing to do with it.
    It is a place to eat and have a good time. there is NOTHING TO DO WITH PORN!porn is sex and we have nothing to do with sex. the girls that work there appreciate self image just as anyone should because it is unfortunatly necessary for our society.
    I am a student at a state university getting my degree to become a teacher. i am not a whore, not a “porn star”, im a working student that works at hooters for the atmosphere and to get my bills payed.
    before you judge something try it, go in drink a beer with your husband and watch a football game then you have a right to be a crude feminist.

  359. gretchen November 22nd, 2009 3:32 pm

    Wait – I have to drink beer and watch football in order to be a feminist? (:|

  360. HooterGirl November 22nd, 2009 10:43 pm

    Hello All…I’m depresed that so many of you think of Hooters as a strip club or less. I am 26 and have worked at Hooters off and on now for 8 years. I’m working my way through college and then it’ll be onto a full-time job for me. But for now, it pays the bills and its a safe, fun work environment.

    We, Hooter Girls, are very intelligent ladies who do NOT have to pass a beauty test before we get hired. There are many numerous tests that we must take so that we know our menu, know how to treat our guests with the best quality in the service industry, and that we must be ladies in and out of the restaurant, etc. Hooters IS a family restaurant and many families and single women visit us, and Not because we have large boobs (we’re not all fake nor are we all extremely large) Most gals are small to medium sized.

    I even have a regular, 60′ish yr old lady that enjoys our fun atmosphere, the food, and the quality of service I/we give her. I also have an older couple (in their late 60′s or early 70′s) that enjoy are red wine, salads, and wings!

    I am not here to judge anyone for their views, but please do not judge us because of the name of our workplace. We wear more clothing than most youth these days and if some would take the time to get to know us, we are nice ladies who are just trying to pay bills while we are in college.

    There are places that are like the strip clubs many compare Hooters to and in no way, does Hooters compare to those! Honestly, bars/nightclubs are much worse compared to any Hooters you could visit in the world! If I were to keep my hubby outta somewhere, it wouldn’t be Hooters…it would be the nightclubs!

    Thanks for allowing me to give my input on this matter. God Bless our Troops and their families!!!

  361. gretchen November 22nd, 2009 11:09 pm

    This thread is getting tiresome. 8-| I realize there are 360+ comments here and most people are not reading through them all so let me summarize:

    1. I am not against the people who work there.
    2. “Hooters” refers to breasts. How is that not sexual?
    3. Something seems very wrong with children ordering a “more than a mouthful” burger.
    4. I do not need to “try it” to form an opinion any more than I need to try drugs to know their outcome. [-(

  362. Smart_Hooters_Girl November 26th, 2009 9:35 am

    Hello everyone I was reading this blog and I realized that it is totally one sided. I personally just became a Hooters girl last week and I must say it’s one of my best jobs so far. Everyone there is energetic and fun loving. I too was once like you I was actually even afraid to take up the job because I didn’t want anyone to think I was a whore. I decided to go to Hooters in NYC with my boyfriend and have a meal there & check out the place. It was nothing like I thought it was…half the girls didn’t have boobs, majority weren’t even pretty & some even had muffin tops. That’s besides the point, not everything is always what it seems. The girls were very friendly and you could tell they enjoyed what they did. As for me I’m 20 years old and I have the measurements of 32A-24-37 I’m not the typical Hooters girl…I’m lacking in the “RACK” department. However they hired me because I was a good person I was beautiful, charming, and SMART! There is nothing wrong with using your charm, wit, and natural born good looks to get what you want. EVERYONE DOES it in 1 way or another. Hooters gives off a HEALTHY image…not a self conscious image. We as women & as people on a whole should always put our best foot forward starting with personality & then with your own physical & health well being. We always should work out & eat healthy, women should always enhance the beauty God has given them and we should all be polite. Hooters is not a strip joint, when you come in we don’t give you lap dances. Try the place out with just 1 of your friends & it will make a world of a difference.

  363. Charlotte December 14th, 2009 1:30 am

    This article is absolutely disgusting. Women’s rights is about choice and no discrimination. So sure, a woman should be able to be a brain surgeon or a builder or whatever. But she should be able to be whatever she wants, and if she wants to be a Hooters Girl she can be. I cannot believe you say that you are trying to empower women and then slag off Hooters Girls like that. Girls choose to work at Hooters. Hooters does not force anyone into working for them. Girls choose to work at Hooters because of good pay and a fun job- they get to waitress and talk to the customers. Now if you feel, as you have said, that you could easily get a job at Hooters, they obviously don’t only hire hot, young, large-breasted girls, as you don’t fit into that image. And get the hell over the clothes. That is everyday dress nowadays and you have to accept that. I mean isn’t that part of women’s rights too? That they can dress how they want. It’s not slutty. Its shorts and a t-shirt. To be honest, it seems like everyone hating Hooters just wishes they looked like the typical Hooters girl. But if Hooters were banned, you’d find something else to complain about. The typical Hooters girl is no different from the typical celebrity. In fact, every time you walk down the street, there are going to be girls that are prettier then you, skinnier then you, or have bigger breasts then you. We don’t need to ban having pretty girls. We need to educate people into not being too influenced by them. And that is something banning Hooters would not help. The Hooters girls will still exist if Hooters closes. They won’t wear the uniform, but they’ll wear shirts as tight and shorts as short. Stop hating on the Hooters girls, because I’m sure most of them are absolutely lovely girls, and they don’t need you abusing them. Because in my books, that’s taking a huge step back in women’s rights.

  364. gretchen December 14th, 2009 8:27 am

    For the billionth time…I’m not against any of the women who work there. I am against what Hooters stands for – the objectification of women. Period.

  365. Charlotte December 15th, 2009 2:33 am

    But how is Hooters the objectification of women if, using their rights, they have made a conscious decision to work there?

  366. gretchen December 15th, 2009 8:23 am

    Just because women choose to work there does not mean they aren’t being objectified. Be real.

  367. Charlotte December 16th, 2009 4:02 pm

    Well if I was a Hooters Girl, I would have been extremely offended by this article, whether you intended that or not. In fact, even as a woman in general it offends me because I thought we had got past this discrimination from men, let alone other women.

  368. Abby December 31st, 2009 11:14 pm

    I have reading this blog, and could not help but think. You know…I am a Muslim, and most of the media is into teaching people that Muslim women are forced into covering their heads. The matter of the fact is that is not true. Despite what the media tries to convey, here is the truth. Muslim women who cover do it by choice and are not forced into it. It is required, to help prevent exploitation of women, protect them, encourage modesty, and promote the habit of treating them according to their intelligence more than anything else. They are allowed to uncover their heads, and wear normal cloths in front of their family members. I have to stress though, that according to the Islamic teachings it is forbidden to force a person into any believe or action they do not agree with. So in Muslim countries you would find people dressed in every outfit you can think off. And those that cover believe it is their free right to do so. I know some people would come and tell me look at all those terrorist out there. I would say, Muslims do not like them either. Others might tell me, but in Places like Saudi Arabia they force women to dress in that way. My answer would be I have asked that question to a lot of Saudi Arabian citizens, and their answer was it is their tradition to cover. A lot of women, who wear it there, take it off when they travel to the west, and their husbands are right beside them with no objection. We as Muslims women are saddened by the image the media is portraying and angered by the actions taken by extremists; whether they are Muslim or not. The vast majority of us are regular people that go to work every day, and try to make a living like everyone else. Some of my best friends are actually devout Christians. In the subject of Hooters, I think the responsibility at the end lays on the family. If we educate our girls from their young years that they have to look good and keep in shape for their own good health, and stress the importance of knowledge and self respect to them, they will grow up to be beautiful, intelligent women that would most probably make the right choices; and if we educate our boys from their young years that they should respect women and chose their partners based on their intelligence, and self respect, most of the places like hooters will diminish without us having to do anything about it.

  369. gretchen January 1st, 2010 12:47 pm

    Abby – thanks for your post. I agree that education is the key to respect. It was great to hear a viewpoint outside of American culture for a change. :)

  370. Priscilla January 3rd, 2010 12:17 am

    So women who work at Hooters aren’t self respecting intelligent women? And working there is a ‘bad choice’? And men who go there don’t respect women now? And they don’t pick their partners for the very reasons you said because they visit Hooters? How does that work? I’m pretty sure I’m a very self respecting intelligent woman and it was NOT a bad decision to work there. And the women I know who work there aren’t stupid women. I met my husband while I was working there. He obviously was looking for something other than the shorts and tank top and found it by getting to know me. He in no way ever disrespected me or my fellow Hooters Girls. I don’t and won’t ever get why because a woman decides to work there that she is either stupid, doesn’t respect herself or some other reason other than that she wants to. And that men can’t go in there without having some kind of ill intentions.

  371. PrincessJasmine January 19th, 2010 4:51 pm

    Just listening to people like Mike saying they would have no problem with their daughters working at Hooters makes me want to abandon my own culture on the spot. I have noticed by speaking to my peers (I am white Slavic) that men from Asian countries like Japan and India (especially the latter) value their mothers/sisters/daughters a lot more than Euro descended men. They told me they would never saying something they wouldn’t want their family doing is good. Word like dignity, integrity and honour still have a place in their dictionaries. My colleague said he would rather cut his own hand off then see their family members loose their dignity like this or be mistreated. I completely agree with Gretchen’s point of women already being mentally undressed, they don’t need to add to it. And, no, I would NOT want the male equivalent of Hooters because I would be mentally disrespecting my future husband. My future beautiful, Punjabi warrior, dressed in a long flowing kurta and salwar. Lol Anyway, no one here wants to listen to my marriage preferences so I’ll be over and out.

  372. ILoveTalmud January 19th, 2010 5:24 pm

    Safia, as your fellow Yehudit I have to say you disappoint me by rejecting your beautiful upbringing that taught you modesty, self-respect and self-importance you deserve as a member of the Chosen People and embraced the corrupt, hyper sexualised, pop-culture of the goyim driven by the basest desires. You have also greatly offended your family I’m sure of it, by rejecting them by your choice of potential profession. I hope it only stays potential and you don’t go to your second interview and find a job that serves the community and is truly useful. Remember our mission on Earth is to contribute something, each one of us has an individual task only they can accomplish.And you are throwing your true purpose away by earning money by something so useful as showing breasts. Please, for the sake of your family and your fellow people like me, change your name while at Hooters because you will give us all a bad name. Oh, and please read the following:

    “All the glory of the King’s daughter is WITHIN”.

    “and may she be good and bring you a good name at the City Gates” (Deutronomy) referring to how daughters should relate to fathers.

    Now think what kind of name you are brining to your family, who raised you, fed you by going against your upbringing completlely and liking ‘sex appeal’. Yuck!

  373. ILoveTalmud January 19th, 2010 5:57 pm

    Oh, sorry Safia.I didn’t read your follow up comment. Applause indeed. I knew you’d come around and choose your Chosen Sisterhood rather than a “slutty shekes sisterhood” It even alliterates.

  374. angell February 2nd, 2010 2:02 pm

    I found an article which i agree with,
    http://www.pointsincase.com/columns/nathan/6-29-05.htm and

    In my opinion whether or not some people think i am jealous or not, its irrelevant.
    To me hooters girls or girls that works in bars or restaurants that are similiar to hooters are no more no less than the same as a striper or hooker..
    I do not even want to go to places like that and I do not let my husband go either, if he decide he needs to look at some *behind* it better be mine.. and not some *easy* girl at hooters.. sorry girls but its how i really feel

  375. Lida February 2nd, 2010 6:42 pm

    @Angell
    I agree with you! i am beautiful looking girl,and there is no reason for me to be insecure,but those places where men go to look at other half naked women,are just disrespectful towards women!!
    And geez,yes most of those girls that work there really are easy ad emptyheaded. And i’m repeating MOST OF THEM,maybe not all of them…
    I like to talk about about that subject with guys,and one guy said: “Yeah, man those dumb bimbos working there,they’re drooling all over you for a tip,and majority of them work there hoping that some rich guys gonna just walk in,marrying them and giving them all of their money!”
    LOL that was funny,because now i see what most of guys(smart guys) think about those girls..and that guy was serious man,lawyer,family man!
    all in all i’m not saying each one of them that way,but c’mon most of ‘em are,because you have to be that kind of a girl at least a little bit to work at place like Hooters.

  376. Kat February 3rd, 2010 6:17 pm

    First of all, you women dont understand what Hooters is about. Yes the servers wear small outfits but that shouldnt even matter. The uniforms cover more than a bikini at the beach. The stockings that the girls wear are so thick that they are like whereing pants. Also the uniforms are only uncomfortable if you are uncomfortable with yourself. They dont just hire big boob and big butt women, they just want a confident women. Most men dont even care about the boobs and the body. Most of them want someone who likes themself and is confident about themself. If you think that any of those girls are not smart then you are very mistaken. Hooter hires a lot of college students which also means they are very flexable with schedules. Not to mention the pay is great. As a matter of fact my town is getting one and is opening in March and I have applied there and hoping to hear back for a second interveiw which wont be for another week or so because they arnt done with the inside and the guy told me that they will start the second interviews in a few weeks. I am a wife and a mom of two. My husband is very comfortable with me working there that he was the one who got me to do it in the first place. Also I am a mom not dead. I am comfortable with my body and love myself. I have a lot of confidence in myself.

  377. gretchen February 4th, 2010 9:00 am

    “Most men dont even care about the boobs and the body.”

    What planet do you live on? /:)

  378. Kat February 4th, 2010 2:44 pm

    Look Im sorry if you can only seem to find and attract assholes but I have more guy friends than girlfriends and everyone will tale you that they dont really care what their body looks like. If a girl can carry herself with confidence then it doesnt even matter. Sorry Im not a stuck up bitch like you and only seem to care what you think is right but Im open to new things and is willing to try new things. Your not even open to going to Hooters. I go with my friends all the time and I mean girlfriends not guy friends and we enjoy the food and chating with the servers about women things. Those girls and women who work there are just like you and me. They are just trying to make a living and enjoy their work. They arnt dumb girls and if they seem like that to you then thats cause they fake it. You have no right to make anyone feel bad about likeing Hooters or about working there. I hope your daughter gives you hell when she hits that age because of you trying to smother her and protect her from the world. Once she gets out into the world on her own, she will go nuts. How about you stop being a snobby bitch and go hang out with the Hooter girls and I know you would like it if you would try it.

  379. gretchen February 4th, 2010 3:00 pm

    OK wait – now I’m totally confused. If guys don’t care about how a girl looks, then why bother with the uniform. Why not just be yourself?

  380. Frenchman February 5th, 2010 1:18 am

    Well Gretchen it looks like you are set in your opinion, but bashing other women for theirs? First off let me say that I am a guy and yes I do go to Hooters on occasion. I am happily married, and both my wife and I enjoy the food and atmosphere at Hooters. I admit that I do look at the women there(I’m a guy of course I’m gonna look), and for all of you ladies who’s husbands/boyfriends say they don’t look or wouldn’t look; you’re obviously very gullible because he’s definitely lying to you. As far as the girls that work there all having big boobs; I have been to several Hooters establishments across a few different states, and let me say they do not all have big boobs. I have seen Hooters girls of all sizes, so it’s not fair to judge without ever experincing it for yourself. I will not comment on the attractive portion of your statement, because I believe that every woman is only as attractive as they feel. Plus, it is not my place to judge others’ looks. Now on to the point of your topic. I do understand not wanting to subject your impressionable child to that atmosphere. How you raise your children is your business, but do not insert negative comments based on your opinions. If that is what you believe then that is fine, but your daughter may not end up seeing things the way you do. What would you do if she ended up moving away and working at Hooters? I seriously doubt you would stop speaking to her because of that. Once again I am not suggesting how to raise your child, but wouldn’t it have been easier to just tell her “it is a restaraunt” and avoided this whole mess? I do thank you for not using any derogatory terms in reference to the women that work at Hooters, but I still cannot grasp why you believe that Hooters is feeding the porn industry. I understand every person has their own opinion, but you are bashing hundreds of hardworking women who have their own opinions, and are obviously more open minded than you.

  381. gretchen February 5th, 2010 8:40 am

    I know this page is long and there are nearly 400 comments so it’s probably pretty accurate of me to say you didn’t read through it all to find the answers to all the things you just asked. Trust me, we’ve covered them all.

    With that being said, I’m going to close this thread. We are going around in circles and nothing new is being brought to the discussion.

    All this is doing is eating up my time. It’s been fun. Thanks to all who shared their thoughts.

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