Girls Can’t Play Football

Girl Football Player PhotoWhile researching my latest design, I ran across this nifty image on some site that sells stock photography. What kills me is the way it is listed. All of the other images of the guys, including the ones that are staged are described as “boy playing football”.

But look at this one of a girl…it says “girl dressed as a football player”. As if a girl can’t actually play.

Bring it on.

I can throw a perfect spiral and I can punt farther than most guys, too. Girls football has become popular in the last several years and in high schools across America several girls have joined the boys football team.

HFootball Designowever, finding information about “Girls Football” on the Internet has proven to be quite the challenge. Most folks end up here on the Girls Can’t WHAT? site.  Welcome!

First of all, “girls football” most often refers to “soccer” since every other country except the US calls soccer “football”. So actually finding information on girls who play the sport with a brown pigskin ball and shoulder pads was a little more complicated than I expected. As it turns out, there really isn’t much out there about girls who play “American Football”. So I’m gonna ask for a little help with this one. I think this is one sport where women are still overlooked. Please post the names and/or web sites of women who play football at any level. Let’s give these ladies some support!

I’ll do my part by adding the Girls Can’t WHAT? football player design to the shop in red, blue and green uniform colors. If you would like a custom team color, jersey number or team name added, please use the contact form to make your request.

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Comments

  1. Avatar for gretchenkurumi sanatori says

    i do think that girls should be seen the same as boys. what makes them so grat that they can do everything and women can only do some

  2. Avatar for gretchenJereamie Ratliff says

    u gies are rite girls can do anything
    i mean our highschool basket ball coach says that the best athleet in the school is mazine wite and she still looks good doing it

  3. Avatar for gretchenSHARON says

    WHY CAN’T GIRLS BE THE SAME AS BOYS? THAT IS MY QUSTION TO THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT THINK THAT BOYS ARE BETTER THAT GIRLS AT SPORTS.

  4. Avatar for gretchenErika says

    Why is it that girls who play football (or other sports of the like) are seen as being gay? I just do not understand.

  5. Avatar for gretchensarag says

    wow. i think we have every right to i am sending a letter to my town asking for a team and boy if they say no i will be pissed off.

  6. Avatar for gretchensarah b. says

    dum stuff man.. its just like saying african americans can’t drink from the same foutain. as non african americans..

  7. Avatar for gretchentruth hurts says

    Ummmm….

    Sorry to burst your bubbles but women/girls will never be able to compete with males in any sport. It’s one thing to dream and quite another to have delusions…Hey…here’s a question…why can’t men/boys play on womens/girls teams? Also, I wonder why you never hear males saying “We’re as good as the women’s team” or people saying “he’s almost as good an athlete as one of the girls”. Most of you are trying to fulfill some void in your lives…quite possibly subconciously trying to satisfy your father’s dream that you were male instead of female….Sorry….Truth Hurts

  8. Avatar for gretchen says

    Do you have any idea how dumb that sounded? :o

    Wouldn’t men on women’s teams be the same as women on men’s teams? Ever heard of co-ed?

    And I don’t think any of us have any desire to be male. [-( I think you are the one with the delusions. /:)

  9. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    Hmmm….Yes, I’ve heard of co-ed teams. But what do you think would result if a co-ed team played an all-male team??? Now, question what the result would be if a co-ed team played an all female team….hmmm…wonder what would account for the difference!

    You say I have delusions but you posted above that women can do everything men can but then come up with the ridiculous aside the “we tend to back down sooner” (tell that to a married man..HA).

    Ok, then have a women get in the ring with a Mike Tyson or play one (just ONE) down in pro football without getting seriously hurt or killed. Or how about olympic wresting, UFC, yada yada. (Heck, lets have co-ed prisons since women are so equal to men and I guess can fend for themselves!)

    Oh…I know your response will be “well those are contact/physical sports so they are unfair” so here’s another one:

    Check out the times for this years Boston Marathon ( a none contact, physically comparable athletic event) – The top women finisher’s time was 2:29:18…The 47th (YES that’s forty seventh !!!) male runner’s time was 2:29:10, 8 seconds faster than the #1 female…Nope, no disparity there!

    The truth may be difficult to accept but it is still true no matter whatever PC spin you put on it.

  10. Avatar for gretchen says

    Well, then you men must feel really crushed, considering you are missing out on the most intense pain ever…child birth.

  11. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    That’s the best you can do???

    I’ll reiterate (or iterate….they mean they same thing) what you said “Do you have any idea how dumb that sounded?”…What does childbirth have to do with any of this…Oh wait..I know….you have no way to support your previous statements or position on equal athleticism so you’ll now resort to a singularly female topic…childbirth! Nice way to try to change the point of the whole topic but you offered nothing to refute my argument about what these posts have been regarding…namely women supposedly being as good as men at sports….No comment on the marathon times…Gee, that’s surprising….If you want I’ll find more examples or turn to golf, basketball, etc.

    I can now sense that you are on the defensive and looking for a way out as you know you can’t win this argument ( I’m still waiting for the ol’ groin kick to a male standby as some sort of feminist equalizer and I’m surprised you haven’t put that out there yet!_)

  12. Avatar for gretchen says

    Yeah – that’s the best I can do. I’ve spent the last 16 hours designing a web site for a client. What kind of productive work have you done all day? I’m not defensive, just annoyed. If you want me to “make a point” then how about this lovely blanket statement…I never said that all women would or should play men’s sports. I’m just pointing out that the opportunity to even give it a shot isn’t there. And I am willing to bet there are a few women out there that could survive an NFL game, much less one play. Don’t sell women short just because it hasn’t happened yet.

  13. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    What are you annoyed about…The fact that I’ve offered examples you cannot refute or statements you find offensive (albeit very TRUE)

    Now I know you’re delusional……”And I am willing to bet there are a few women out there that could survive an NFL game, much less one play. Don™t sell women short just because it hasn™t happened yet.”…..Are you in any way serious?… Do you have any idea of the caliber or talent necessary to play in the NFL?….Let me give you an idea….In my local high school we had a guy who was a standout…I mean totally much better than any other player and a real animal; workout warrior, awards, honors, etc.. To make a long story short, he got drafted by a Division 1 school and was regulated to 3rd string!!!… There are many stories like that…college QB’s who lead their teams to undefeated seasons, college running backs who score record yardage/TDs, etc…yet in the NFL they hardly play or are at best backups. I’ll make this solid guarantee…No woman will ever (yes, EVER!) play in a NFL football game (that is unless the feminist lobby finds some way to have it mandated by law and then gets a woman killed or paralyzed….but then they’ll push for rule changes to make it more “FAIR” for females). Stop believing in the fantasy of “women can do anything men can do” because it’s just that….a leap of fantasy!!!

    Hope/positive thought is one thing….False hope or delusions of grandeur are quite another.

  14. Avatar for gretchen says

    There will always be people who say that certain things “can’t” be done. It used be said that no one could break the 4 minute mile, but now both men AND women do that every day. What’s your point?

    Amelia Earhart once said “Never interrupt someone doing something you said couldn’t be done.”

    I’m annoyed because you’re interrupting me. /:)

  15. Avatar for gretchenvetgirl says

    Ok, pretty sure this isn’t even worth my time arguing, but I have to make a comment on the childbirth thing. From a medical point of view, carrying a child, giving birth, and then lactating is one of the most physically demanding things a body can do, whether it is a human, a dog, a cow, etc. In fact, one of my vet school professors said during a lecture that in his opinion, dairy cows are the olympic athletes of the animal world because we ask them to milk 100 lbs of milk or more every day while being pregnant. I don’t see any bulls doing that!

  16. Avatar for gretchenDewayne Dority says

    My sister plays football for the Magazine Rattler football team in Logan County Arkansas so i know darn well girls can play football, all she has is me her older brother and three other brothers to hang around with so she is pretty tough, she is the starting guard for the Seventh Grade team!

  17. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    Well….regarding Earhart, someone should have “interrupted” her before she tried to fly around the world and maybe she would have lived a lot longer. But, she “believed” it could be done and look how that turned out!!!

    Once again…Ignorance (or wishful thinking) is bliss….I guess Gretchen likes living in her own little dream world manufacturing false info to keep herself blissfully unaware of what is and is not TRUE – The current world record in the mile is 3:43.13, set by Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco on July 7, 1999. The current women™s record is 4:12.56 by Svetlana Masterkova of Russia, set on August 14, 1996. Not much of a disparity again huh? (Only almost a half minute!!…do I need to post how many males can run the mile faster than the top female now??) So, Gretchen, who are these females who run the mile in under 4 mins.??? Quick….if you know any that aren’t strictly from your imagination, alert the news/sports media because you are holding on to information of the highest importance!!…or are they once again just manifestations of a delusional mind???

    Don’t know how we got onto animals or cows (and childbirth again in a discussion on ATHLETICISM!) but research early America & any early farming and you’ll see that what was used to carve out farmland, paths or space was manual plowing or clearing with the plows attached to bulls or steers (female animals were inherently to weak to do any of that kind of work….WAIT!…maybe there is some correlation with the animal kingdom that you can all learn from!)

  18. Avatar for gretchen says

    I see you are resorting to personal attacks on me now by telling me I am delusional and live in a fantasy world. That’s fine. If you want to get personal, then I will speak from personal experience. When I was 14 my family was hit by a drunk driver. My injuries were so severe that doctors told my parents not to expect me to ever walk again. (So I probably should have given up right there because a doctor was telling me it just wasn’t possible. ;) ) After weeks of physical therapy where I learned how to use my legs again, I was released from the hospital and today I can walk, run and jump just as well as any other physically normal human being.

    Doctors also told me I might never have kids because of the injury. I have two beautiful daughters. :)

    Just because someone tells you something can’t be done doesn’t mean they are right. You can call that “fantasy” and “blissful ignorance” but beating the odds is a reality I see in the mirror every day.

    As for the athletic records, I’m sure you won’t like my answer but maybe I can tie all this together. I think the reason that men are excelling in atletics moreso than women is this…look at the ages of the record holders. Typically, the top athletes are in their 20’s and 30’s. For women, these are prime child bearing years. Men are more driven to be competitive and women know that if they miss that window of opportunity to have children then they don’t get a second chance.

    So while the men are out pursuing athletic careers, women are choosing to raise families. It is a matter of priorities.

    My second point – and the one you keep ignoring – is that women are not given enough opportunities to compete in athletics at higher levels. The playing field is slowly starting to level out now and we are seeing increases in women’s sports. It hasn’t completely happened yet. You don’t see near as many women pursuing athletic careers and when they do, they usually take a few years off to raise the kids. Men’s sports get way more sponsorship and attention than the women. Perhaps if women’s sports got as much support as the men (at all age and skill levels) then we wouldn’t even be having this debate.

    And in reponse to your last point about the steers…the female cows weren’t “too weak” – they were back at the ranch pumping out 100 pounds of milk a day and raising the calves. I think farmvet already explained that the female cows were physically working much harder than the steers. ;)

  19. Avatar for gretchentruth hurts says

    The delusional and fantasy comments were mostly gear towards claims (not so suspiciouly NOT followed up by you in your last post) regarding the supposed (and therefore deserved of the “delusional” and/or “fantasy” label) running of an UNDER 4 MINUTE MILE by ANY female. At this point its obvious that anytime you are proven wrong you attempt to change the original subject or avoid at all commenting on your undeniable errors. I’m trying to keep this topic on its original track about male vs. female athleticism yet we’ve gone from that to childbirth, cows, Earhart, etc. etc. in what seems like some plan by you to cloud the original issue since you can’t get out from under the TRUTH.

    Now….again to set you straight (and prove you mistaken again….no bother really, I’m getting used to it)…The over 40 record in the Outdoor Mile run is 4:02:53 by David Moorcraft. Indoor is 3:58:15 by Eamonn Coghlan (obviously male). The over 40 female record in the Outdoor Mile run is 4:23.78 Yekaterina Podkopayeva (Instead of half a minute now only 21.25 – 25 secs. slower (not 100% sure if her record was set indoors or out)…a lifetime in track times). Your delusions are like bowling pins….you keep setting them up and I’ll knock them down (what’s next….the over 50, 60, 100 yr old club??)

    I was going to (but neglected) to also mention in my post about farming that only male horses or donkeys (which are male…mares are female) were used for such plowing as they also has the necessary streth & stamina. Wait….let me guess, the female horses/mres were too busy giving milk or in labor to plow at all right??

    Did ya ever think that women do try out for men’s sports but can’t compete at that level and that’s why there’s none there

    And a final thought….maybe men’s sports are given all the money & advertising since sponsors realize that when it come to sporting events, people normally want to see the best and most talented play….

  20. Avatar for gretchenKel1 says

    Good Lord, I don’t believe I’ve seen this level of chauvinism in ages! :O I am absolutely stunned at the tone of these posts by Truth Hurts. The biting sarcasm just astounds me…and here we thought we could have a civil discussion. ;)

    What I read was that Gretchen DID address the question…and you’re too busy being rude to realize it…when she said that women can or could compete with men in athletics, but they have been so long in gaining opportunities (thanks in part to chauvinism and sexual harassment) or that they must choose between other opportunities, that we haven’t fully seen what women are capable of achieving in the wide, wide world of sports. :P

    Also, to address this: “Did ya ever think that women do try out for men™s sports but can™t compete at that level and that™s why there™s none there” Well, I’d have to say that there exists a lot of pigheadedness in the male dominated world of sports, and dare I say it? FEAR…that OMG, what if a “chick” were to be as good as the “good ol’ boys”? Well, we sure wouldn’t want to have that, now would we? And if a woman does make it to the team (as is beginning to happen more and more, as these women grow bolder), then quite often she has to work twice as hard to earn any respect at all. She also has to deal with people like Truth Hurts here, who no doubt bash her every attempt at success.

    Frankly, I think you need to stop and take a look around at where you are…you may not like that this is a website for young women to encourage OTHER young women. Quite obviously, if anyone’s delusional here, it’s you, TH. To post as you have on a site that is meant to ENCOURAGE young women’s dreams and treat its creator as if she is dirt under your feet is an utter disgrace to YOU. You can now be proud of the fact that you’ve just supported every fear and every stereotype that young women feel toward men and male-dominated society. You’ve just trampled on some young woman’s dreams here. You can applaud for yourself now, because no one else will. Take a bow for being such an enlightened male.

    I just hope that whoever “she” is, she will make you one day eat your words and accomplish more than anyone could ever dream for her life.

  21. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    First of all, I’m no chauvinist….I’m a realist.

    You posted: “What I read was that Gretchen DID address the question¦and you™re too busy being rude to realize it¦when she said that women can or could compete with men in athletics”…..Therein lies the conflict…All I’m saying is that women CANNOT compete with men on a equal level at any athletic/physical sporting event (obviously given similar age & levels). The proof is on record and undeniable but there will always be people like you who refuse to accept it or come up with self created (delusional)reasons to justify the disparities. Any time I post facts they’re never addressed or responded to with any opposite information to call the truth into question. Instead, attempts to change the topic, tug at the heart strings or name calling results.

    I never said girls/women should not be encouraged. I think they should, vigorously. But, they should be encouraged to strive for attainable goals, not things that will never happen. What should be out there is giving young girls hope and direction towards being a Doctor, Astronaut, Professor, etc. all of which I have no doubt can be realized by women who choose to put forth the effort.

    Preaching that a female may one day play in the NFL, outrun a male in the mile run etc., etc. and deluding other females that it could happen is analogous to giving a blind person hope that they could one day fly an airplane.

  22. Avatar for gretchenKel1 says

    And you have now just taken this to another level…I do not believe that telling a woman she could one day outrun a male is like telling a person who cannot see (a DISABLED human being) that they can one day fly an airplane.

    I also believe you were the one who started with the namecalling. And “tugging at heart strings”? As if you possess one to begin with. ;)

    Oh, and regarding the BLIND person flying an airplane: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/28/wflight28.xml

    And don’t think because it’s a man that you’re off the hook. Gee, apparently what you think cannot be done may just one day actually be achieved.

  23. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    Once again, here we go with half facts….

    If you read the article fully (and without censoring it to neatly fit your point of view) you would have seen this:

    “Aviation regulations required he take a sighted co-pilot, but in the As It Happens story he explained how his instruments were geared up to give him audio and voice feedback such that he could do most of it on his own.”

    Further, he had vision when he was younger and also had some training then. This is much different than my example of giving a totally blind person (with no previous vision or training….or not having with them a CO-PILOT WITH VISION!!!) hope that they could one day fly an airplane on their own.

    Oh…and about the “name-calling”….look above and you’ll see the first instance of that was by Gretchen posting “Do you have any idea how dumb that sounded?” to me in response to my orinal post (or is it that you also censor out any offensive posts made by women so as to avoid the facts and cast blame)

    Think about it……

  24. Avatar for gretchenvetgirl says

    Still not sure this is worth replying to, but I must make a comment on the 4-minute mile discussion. So what if the female record holders were 20 some seconds behind the men. They could still outrun MILLIONS of men, probably even you TH. *Most athletes* will never be the top in their particular sports. Does this mean they should never compete in the first place because the odds are against them? Most male high school athletes who dream of the pros will never make it and may not even make a college team. Does this mean we should tell them not to play? Should we instead tell them that they should focus their time on other things because they will never make it as a pro athlete? That is ridiculous. I suppose next you’ll be telling me that I can’t be a large animal vet because girls aren’t strong enough to handle animals that weigh thousands of pounds. I suppose if I use a halter and lead rope that I’d be cheating just like the blind guy. Gimme a break. Go find someone else to try to discourage. I’ve heard enough about your version of “reality.”

  25. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    “So what if the female record holders were 20 some seconds behind the men”….Huh??…That’s the whole point!…they’re more the 20 – 30 seconds slower because they CAN’T COMPETE ON AN EQUAL LEVEL with the male competition (that’s all I’ve been saying the whole time!). Or said another way…The top female athletes cannot compete seriously with the top male athletes of their chosen sport (after all, that’s why we have a separation of gender in sports anyway)

    “Most athletes* will never be the top in their particular sports.” Agreed 100%

    “Does this mean they should never compete in the first place because the odds are against them?”….No…I never said that….they should compete for a variety of reasons but should not be deluded into a belief by the “you can do anything” crowd that they can one day make it as a pro unless they are in the elite 1% that do….otherwise they’ll be wasting their time and efforts chasing a dream when they could be better spent on attaining a career or occupation they would excel at.

    You referred to it yourself….most male athletes, even very, very good ones, will never make it to that level

    Therefore,to suggest to a female athlete that she spend her life pursuing a athletic fairy tale ending that she may make it one day in NFL football, NBA, MLB baseball, etc. if she sets her mind to it is irresponsible and misleading.

    Cold hard facts, while not pleasing to hear or flying in the face of someone’s dream, are still better than pushing unattainable dreams.

    It’s ok to dream, but at some point you have to wake up and realize what is real & what is fantasy.

  26. Avatar for gretchenvetgirl says

    Honestly – my last post on this thread because pig-headed people can’t be convinced of anything so arguing is a waste of time. (If you want to go on about personal attacks, TH, just look at the end of your first post.) I just want to summarize my opinion.
    1. You can’t know which goals are attainable and “realistic” until you try. Only those people who push the envelope will find out.
    2. No one should squash another person’s dream, no matter how extreme or “unrealistic” it may sound. Everyone has a right to try whether they end up with success or failure.
    3. The point of this discussion was not whether women would or should be playing in the NFL, etc. The point was that girls should be allowed to TRY at any of these sports without jerks telling them they can’t. If they fail, so be it, but at least they were given the opportunity.

    **finished wasting my time**

  27. Avatar for gretchenTruth Hurts says

    Not summed up by a long shot!

    Response:

    1. DISAGREE – You can know which goals are realistic or attainable based on the natural talent or aptitude of a given person. Someone who is great at art or drawing should pursue a career as an artisit/graphic desiger, etc; great at English/grammer…high chance of a rewarding writing career; ever hear the term “computer illiterate” … well, that type of person shouldn’t be given hope of having a rewarding job as a computer programmer, technician, Microsoft engineer,etc.

    2. “Everyone has a right to try whether they end up with success or failure.”….Very naive statement (kinda reminds me of the “everybody has the right to be wrong” saying)…anyhow…a parent or mentor has an obligation in aiding the person they seek to help in the best way possible…that means captializing on an individual’s talents and ensuring the best chance possible that they can be successful in their chosen path…..while limiting the chances of their failure or dissappointment.

    3. I never said they shouldn’t be able to try (just that they stood no chance of being successful (in the NFL/pro sports example)). Let everyone have a fair shot at trying BUT!!…don’t push to lower the entry standards to suit less talented people just to say they got on! If someone (male or female) can “pass the test” for entry then so be it. But…as is normally the case, special interest groups push for changes to ease the qualifying standards thereby polluting the field just to prove a point!

  28. Avatar for gretchen says

    We’re through debating with you now, Mr. “Truth Hurts”. We get your point. You think men have no limits, but women do. We think that’s a load of BS. End of discussion. 8-|

  29. Avatar for gretchenLiL' K says

    yo this is lil’k i play football and on my team all the boys respect me ya;ll got probs

  30. Avatar for gretchenGildenzoph 24 says

    Just to let you know Mr. Truth Hurts, I played football and I’m a girl. I went out for the team this last school year. I started on the Jv team at the beginning of the season playing Defensive Corner and i subbed in on Offensive as a reciever. By the end of the season, I started playing up on our highschool varsity team on Special teams and subbing in on defensive. So, i guess the truth does hurt, girls can play too

  31. Avatar for gretchenElizabeth says

    Hey, Gild. Good for you. You know, lots of girls can’t play. That’s why i’m doing a report.

  32. Avatar for gretchenFan of Truth Hurts says

    I agree with everything Truth Hurts has said. The trouble is some people today confuse being a realist with being a chauvinist. For sure, there are certain women who are better at sport than certain men. However the best men will always be better than the best women – it’s just genetics. Like Truth Hurts has said if you want proof just look at the best times in any competative sport. Also people only want to watch the best of a sport, hence why there isn’t a large commercial market for women’s sport, and why it won’t even be as big as men’s sport… unless it’s mudwrestling or something… I’d watch that…

  33. Avatar for gretchenKel1 says

    Chauvenism: “Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one’s own gender, group, or kind.”
    Realism: “Considering things as they are or appear to be, avoiding ideals and abstractions.” (also known as a pragmatist)

    Now, I have to say…after the mudwrestling comment, I think we know where “Fan of Truth Hurts” stands on the equality of women in sports.

  34. Avatar for gretchenMea says

    I do not want to start the discussion all over again, but consider this:

    gender based discrimination in sports is a particular kind of discrimination based on the argument that “men are naturally physically superior to women”. The fallacy in this argument is not that men are physically superior; it is the assumption that this difference is natural. Social evolution has at least as much implications in the development of the body and physical qualities than genetic heritage. That is the physical superiority of men, it has been argued, is correlated to the role of men and women (which is based in different power relations). In other words, men have had better access to physical activity and to better food… The interesting question to ask is why did that happen. Another interesting thing to look into is how are sports valued (results, strenght, but also fair play, team effort, which men and women share alike).
    That said, I consider myself an average sports person, very average, so I am not the exeption that beats world male reccords. And I still play better than a lot of guys.

    (sorry about the english, it is not my mother tongue)

  35. Avatar for gretchenMea says

    Just one more thing:

    Truth never hurts. Ignorance, unfortunately, can harm a lot more.

  36. Avatar for gretchen says

    Mea – excellent points. I had not thought about the “social evolution” before. That does explain a few things. For example (and I have no actual data here, I am going off of what I have been told) if you read the thread about Spartan Women in the movie 300, you will find that these women were trained to handle weapons and to defend themselves while their men were off at war. Because this was a cultural norm for them, they developed a stronger breed of females. Interesting addition to the discussion. :-?

  37. Avatar for gretchenMea says

    For more information on how cultural specialization may affect your genes check the Baldwin Effect Hypothesis:

    http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/pcu/noesis/issue_vi/noesis_vi_4.html

    As for Spartan Women they were in deed trained and fed almost the same way as there male counterparts (which does mean they had the same power, nor the same rights). They were still better off than some women nowdays. Anyway, I am guessing there is a little bit of the ‘amazon warrior legend’ fed into the hollywood film; still, it is a good example of how nurturing ‘changes nature’.

  38. Avatar for gretchenshawn says

    Im sorry to sound so biased but its too refute all the sexist females here.

    men are taller, stronger, faster and have more muscle mass. And since we seem to have invented almost everything and run everything and lead every country and boardroom we’re smarter too.

    women are good at knitting

    if women were better then men then why have they been surpressed since time began (and still are in the majority of the workd) and even now in the western world were strength doesn’t matter as much they stil bitch about the glass ceiling an wot not.

  39. Avatar for gretchen says

    Seriously Shawn – pay attention before you post. 8-| I didn’t say I think women are better, I said I think we should be treated with respect and be given equal opportunity.

    “if women were better then men then why have they been surpressed since time began (and still are in the majority of the workd) and even now in the western world were strength doesn™t matter as much they stil bitch about the glass ceiling an wot not.”

    If that is your argument, then why didn’t African Americans rise up and end slavery themselves? By all appearances, African Americans seem to be “better” athletes and therefore “stronger” than the Caucasian slave masters. Chew on that for a while.

    And while you’re at it, learn how to type and spell. You’re making the male population look illiterate. ;)

  40. Avatar for gretchenKel1 says

    “If that is your argument, then why didn™t African Americans rise up and end slavery themselves? By all appearances, African Americans seem to be “better” athletes and therefore “stronger” than the Caucasian slave masters. Chew on that for a while.”

    Nicely done.

  41. Avatar for gretchen says

    Actually – after I thought about it more – I realized I could have left athletics out of the equation. Slaves would have been naturally bigger and stronger due to the intense manual labor they were subjected to doing. So again – lame argument from Mr. Shawn. 8-|

  42. Avatar for gretchen7 says

    “And a final thought¦.maybe men™s sports are given all the money & advertising since sponsors realize that when it come to sporting events, people normally want to see the best and most talented play¦.”

    There is a reason that men play in the Superbowl. If females were allowed to play a masculine sport such as football, nobody but other lesbians would watch, and the sponcers would disappear. Nobody want to watch females play sports. Why are you so adamant about females playing sports is this some lesbian vendetta against men? Why lesbian? Females who act masculine are gay.

    “Well, then you men must feel really crushed, considering you are missing out on the most intense pain ever¦child birth.”

    Pregnancy is not a sport. Pregnany also has nothing to do with sports. It is an irrelevant departure.

    “Wouldn™t men on women™s teams be the same as women on men™s teams? Ever heard of co-ed?”

    Co-ed? God separated male and female for a reson. They don’t mix well. That means both genders share the same smelly locker room. Most men do not want to play football with militant man hating lesbians.

    I know you and your life partner would love to someday play a man’s sport like say football. You have a sooner chance of getting lesbo married.

    No, I think females lezzing it up it gross. It’s al about the feamales. Eeew! I don’t get it. I don’t much care for females especially militant ones who don’t shave and who have life partners.

  43. Avatar for gretchen says

    Wow – and how old are you? /:) Does your mommy know you’re on the Internet? Dude I am married to a MAN and I am as straight as a girl can be. Playing sports has nothing to do with sexual preference anyway. The clue train just left. Too bad you weren’t old enough to ride. 8-|

  44. Avatar for gretchen7 says

    You’re telling me this not some wakko liberal lesbo website for homosexual females to vent about Title IX? You say your hetero marriage. You could be lying, whatever. Straight girls are innto boys and makeup not sports. Homosexual females like sports because they can see other females in skimpy clothing. Cheerleading is not a support. These vappid female activities are not sports. Hetero females do not want to see other females in skimpy clothing. That’s gay! All female sport have females dressed like common hookers too. Why is that? For homosexual females or hetero males?

  45. Avatar for gretchen says

    “You™re telling me this not some wakko liberal lesbo website for homosexual females to vent about Title IX?”

    Yes. That’s what I’m saying.

    “Straight girls are innto boys and makeup not sports.”

    Grow up. By that analogy I might as well say that all boys on the Internet can’t type or spell.

    “All female sport have females dressed like common hookers too.”

    Again, grow up. I have never seen a female athletic uniform that involved a miniskirt, fishnet hose or 9″ heels. /:)

    Ladies – we are no longer feeding this troll.
    =;

  46. Avatar for gretchenmarissa says

    i think girls should have as many rights as boys. So whatthey are boys whats so special about them that we don’t have?

  47. Avatar for gretchenziggysmommy says

    I just need to vent A LITTLE.( sorry about feeding the troll) My smart, pretty, outgoing GIRL plays football. She’s 8 !!! And she kicks some serious boy butt! ( girls getting a head start on the growing thing has it’s advatages)She also likes “girly”stuff,make-up,nail polish etc(not that she’s allowed right now) Am I to understand that I’m making her a lesbian? I’m sorry, I thought I was letting her play a sport she LOVES.

    “Homosexual females like sports because they can see other females in skimpy clothing. ” Have you seen a football uniform buddy? It covers every inch of her! It takes me a good 10 min to get her geared up. She wears everything the “boys” do. And if it gets cold, ha-ha add another 5 for the extra layer.
    Do females that go to a gym do it for the skimpy clothing also? I’m guessing that you only date out of shape, overweight people.

    My daughter will play as long as she wants to and even if she is a lesbian I will love her anyway. I’m her MOM!!!!!!

  48. Avatar for gretchen says

    Good for you ziggysmommy! =d> We feed all kinds of trolls here. I kind of like it. It gives us a chance to show their ignorance. Notice they don’t usually come back after one or two posts. ;)

  49. Avatar for gretchenAmanda says

    Hi I just found this site (searching females who play football on google)and think its awesome! I am going into my freshman year and have signed up for the freshman football team. I have been playing football (unoficially) since I was a little kid and I have loved it forever (my dad used to watch football all the time and to keep me interested he would tell me that “Big bird was number 8, the quarterback. Barney was the kicker. etc.” and i have loved it since then (even though I was devastated to find out that BArney/Big Bird never played football =]! So any way even though everyone who has seen me play knows I am just as good if not better than the guys but they still say that girls can’t play football. I thought it was time for me to take action and stick up for all the girls out there who think that just because people tell them that “they can’t” do something that they can! Wish me luck my first practice is in a few days!

  50. Avatar for gretchen says

    Amanda – that is awesome. I can’t throw as far as a guy, but I can get a perfect spiral and I can kick farther than a lot of guys. ;)

    Keep us posted on how it goes. Freshman year can be tough. Hang in there! :)

    As you can tell by the comments above yours, there are a lot of guys who think girls can’t compete. Prove them wrong. b-)

  51. Avatar for gretchenIce - Part I says

    Although this is the never-ending story ( I mean we all have had a ˜started as a playful banter ended up in a blazing row™ conversation of the like with our male friends) I wanted to toss in my two cents. I confess, the whole thing does my head in coz I don™t understand why some people can be so narrow-minded when it comes to sports and females (not that we don™t get males banned from sports such as synchronized swimming but the number of females banned from “allegedly” male sports outnumbers the first by far). Anyway to make a long story short after reading Truth Hurt™s comment ˜any time I post facts they™re never adressed or responded to with any opposite information to call the truth into question™ I™ve decided to pick on some things that have been said and hand back some facts and claps.

    Gretchen: It™s just that as we get older, we females tend to back down sooner

    That may be one of the reasons. When asked why there weren™t more girls racing motorbikes Katja Poensgen (www.katja-poensgen.de/) – answered with a similar reasoning that went along the lines of females being more scared of breaking their bones and accidents.

    TH: Women/girls will never be able to compete with males in any sport

    You may want to recheck that one.Margaret McGregor won over Loi Chow in a boxing fight back in 1999 in Seattle: http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/1999/1009/106430.html

    TH: I wonder why you never hear males saying “We™re as good as the women™s team” or people saying “he™s almost as good an athlete as one of the girls”.

    Probably because some dim-witted men decided a long time ago that sports were a ˜just for boys™ activity and banned girls from them and that implied that they were bad at them coz they weren™t allowed to them. And whenever the guys on those sports did something wrong the one thing they got to hear from their dim-witted coaches was: ˜you™re playing like girls™ or the even worst ˜you™re worst than a girl™. And those phrases got said over and over again over decades with the obvious negative connotations that they brought to women and their abilities when it comes to playing sports.

    The US soccer team won the olympic gold medal in 1996, the silver medal in 2000 and silver again in 2004. And no, unfortunately for you these weren™t the boys. Oops. Maybe some teams would like to be almost as good as the girls but have to keep on dreaming of delusioning (seems to be your favourite word these days).

    TH: Your father™s dream that you were male instead of female

    Yeah yeah go on tell us about China, India ¦ *rolls eyes*

    TH: What do you think would result if a co-ed team played an all-male team???

    August 30, 2003: University of Mexico (they had Katie Hnida with them) won 72-8 against Texas State University and Hnida became the first woman to score in a NCCA Division I football game scoring two extra points.

    TH: Ok, then have a women get in the ring with a Mike Tyson or play one (just ONE) down in pro football without getting seriously hurt or killed. Or how about olympic wresting, UFC, yada yada. (Heck, lets have co-ed prisons since women are so equal to men and I guess can fend for themselves!)

    With a Mike Tyson? You mean the earbiting boxer who doesn™t even qualify as a boxer because when he was about to get the living daylights beaten out of him he weaseled out by biting his oponent™s ear? Oh yeah he™s a great example of what a great sportman should be.

    I™m sure Gretchen would love to have a woman on a NFL game as many others and I™m sure if it was in her hands she™d do the impossible to get her to play but unfortunately she doesn™t have the last word. But maybe you, seems you™re so clever, can find a man with some guts to offer a woman a place in a pro football team. And what the sudden concern about her getting seriously hurt or killed? Oh please, women are not as breakable as you may think they are. Especially if they are playing football. Take a look at this two ladies playing HIGH SCHOOL football:
    Shelby Tinklepaugh: 15 years stands 5™10™™ weighs 155 pounds
    Holley Mangold: 17 years stands 5™9™™ weighs 315 pounds
    I™m afraid they™d probably stonewall you
    Prisons? Whoa I had no idea they were supposed to be sports centers

    TH: Check out the times for this years Boston Marathon ( a none contact, physically comparable athletic event) – The top women finisher™s time was 2:29:18¦The 47th (YES that™s forty seventh !!!) male runner™s time was 2:29:10, 8 seconds faster than the #1 female¦Nope, no disparity there!

    Ever heard of free-diving? Well here are the official world records as of June 16th 2007 taken from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-diving

    Static Apnea:
    – women: Natalia Molchanova 8m00s
    – men: Tom Sietas 9m08s

    Dynamic Apnea:
    – women: Natalia Molchanova 200ms
    – men: Stig Severinsen 225 ms

    Dynamic Apnea, without fins
    – women: Natalia Molchanova 149ms
    – men: Stig Severinsen 186 ms

    Constant Weight:
    – women: Mandy-Rae Cruickshank – 88ms
    – men: Herbert Nitsch -111ms

    Constant Weight without fins
    – women: Natalia Molchanova -55 ms
    – men: Martin Å tÄ›pánek – 83 ms

    Free Immersion
    – women: Natalia Molchanova -80ms
    – men: Martin Å tÄ›pánek -106ms

    Variable Weight
    – women: Tanya Streeter -122ms
    – men: Carlos Coste -140ms

    No limits:
    – women: Tanya Streeter -160ms
    – men: Herbert Nitsch -214 ms

    Now who would you say is the best athlete? There™s one name that keeps on showing up and that™s not a man™s but a woman™s: Natalia Molchanova. Her name™s nearly in all the categories which to me and almost everyone means that she™s the best athlete, the most complete out there.

    TH: Women supposedly being as good as men at sports

    Get this into your head. No one has mentioned anything of the like in this board so far!! They are not saying they are as good in fact they don™t need to! They have different leagues to play versus other very competitive athletes (and no they are not men sorry to deceive you). The problem here is that sometimes they don™t get the chance to even have a team of their own and that™s the only reason why they are forced to play with males (who ever told you that they wanted to play with them? Maybe they don™t! Maybe they just want to play and their only way to do such thing is joining the boys!)

    TH: the ol™ groin kick to a male standby as some sort of feminist equalizer

    That™s coz that™s a low blow. You may be known for them, the girls in this thread obviously are not.

    Gretchen: I never said that all women would or should play men™s sports. I™m just pointing out that the opportunity to even give it a shot isn™t there.

    Thanks for pointing that one Gretchen for Truth Hurts although I™m afraid he deliberately ignored that TRUE FACT. It™s funny that he seems to be annoyed all the time because he™s statements are not refuted and then he has nothing to say on that one piece of truth that you hand him. He just complaints about how the standards are lowered for women when they are given A try. Notice that I wrote A try because that™s what they get one try, that™s it. Then they are out. And if they succeed well they™ll put it down to luck and if they don™t they™ll say ˜told you™ ˜saw that one coming from miles™ blablabla. And even when women succeed they have people waiting for them to fall and it takes just one fall, one mistake to bring all the hardwork down and unfortunately close further chances to other girls because they assume that if one girl fails all will. Fortunately things are changing now and it™s more and more usual to see coertion free girls down at the field.

    Gretchen: And I am willing to bet there are a few women out there that could survive an NFL game, much less one play. Don™t sell women short just because it hasn™t happened yet.

    Exactly my point a few paragraphs above

    TH: Do you have any idea of the caliber or talent necessary to play in the NFL?¦.Let me give you an idea¦.In my local high school we had a guy who was a standout¦I mean totally much better than any other player and a real animal; workout warrior, awards, honors, etc.. To make a long story short, he got drafted by a Division 1 school and was regulated to 3rd string!!!¦ There are many stories like that¦college QB™s who lead their teams to undefeated seasons, college running backs who score record yardage/TDs, etc¦yet in the NFL they hardly play or are at best backups.

    Look it takes more than being the best of your glitzy High school team to be the best athlete out there. Oh so the guy of your school was a real animal, a workout warrior (I mean, c™mon, you may want to use other adjectives coz that sounded pretty much like the usual 8 years old WWE fan kid™s vocabulary) and he had a couple of awards, big deal. Becoming a pro is not about getting awards it™s about being driven, focused and having heart.

    TH: No woman will ever (yes, EVER!) play in a NFL football game

    I™m confused now. I thought you were earlier on encouraging Gretchen to get a woman to play one down (just one for her own well-being, god forbid us for wanting her to play the entire game, the poor thing would have to be scratched off the pitch with the help of a spatula then) in pro football.

    Have you stopped for a second to think that maybe no woman wants to play there? Have you heard of the WFL? Seems like NFL is even scared of this league check it out: The National Women’s Football Association (NWFA) was originally called the National Women’s Football League, but changed its name after the 2002 season. The name change came after pressure from the National Football League. The NFL also required the league to change the logos of some teams whose logo resembled those of NFL teams.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_American_football they don™t need your lovely NFL

    You just reminded me of some guys who not so long ago (1966 to be exact) were saying that african americans couldn™t/ shouldn™t play basketball¦ It took one man, coach Don Haskins, and his team (and probably individuals at Texas Western College) to prove them wrong. And guess what? They won the 1966 NCAA Men’s Division I Basketball Championship over the Wildcats of the University of Kentucky an all-white squad.

    TH: Unless the feminist lobby finds some way to have it mandated by law and then gets a woman killed or paralyzed¦.but then they™ll push for rule changes to make it more “FAIR” for females

    News flash: that kind of thing is not what females are looking for because its demeaning to them

    TH: Well¦.regarding Earhart, someone should have “interrupted” her before she tried to fly around the world and maybe she would have lived a lot longer. But, she “believed” it could be done and look how that turned out!!!

    Gosh, I now know where you coming from!! You™re a Homer Simpson™s fan: the first step to failure is trying. I so can see a bright future ahead of you. It™s great to know there have been, are, and will always be lots of great minds out there thinking the complete opposite; else we would still be living in caverns which I™m pretty sure you™d love but¦

    TH: Research early America & any early farming and you™ll see that what was used to carve out farmland, paths or space was manual plowing or clearing with the plows attached to bulls or steers (female animals were inherently to weak to do any of that kind of work¦.WAIT!¦maybe there is some correlation with the animal kingdom that you can all learn from!)

    Early farming? Okay¦ have you seen any western at all? Do you know who took care of the house, the farming, the family (summing up everything) when the male was away? The woman. That™s how early America was built, that™s how lots of households are still maintain in modern America nowadays. If you want more examples you may want to check the actual situation in Africa and their women. But of course this is complete off topic, something that seemed to annoy you pretty much when other people were -according to you- running out of statements to refute your wisdom.

    TH: Did ya ever think that women do try out for men™s sports but can™t compete at that level and that™s why there™s none there

    Again mate you should start to look for better sources or at least know what you™re talking about. Ever heard of Jeannie Longo? She™s a cyclist who as a teen had to race against boys coz there weren™t competions for girls and she got to win them and found strong opposition from the other kids™ parents just because she was better than their sons. She™s considered the greatest female cyclist of all-time.

    Kel1: Well, I™d have to say that there exists a lot of pigheadedness in the male dominated world of sports, and dare I say it? FEAR¦that OMG, what if a “chick” were to be as good as the “good ol™ boys”? Well, we sure wouldn™t want to have that, now would we?

    “In the post World War II era, the first girl known to have played high school football was Frankie Groves of Stinnett High School in Texas. Her showcase game was versus Groom High School in November 1947. Soon after the game, Texas’ high school sports ruling body formally banned girls from playing high school football–a ban that would not be lifted until 1993.”

    If they are so bad at football what were texans worried about? Oh hang on I can see this one coming: Tradition right Truth Hurts? Please¦

  52. Avatar for gretchenIce - Part II says

    TH: Maybe men™s sports are given all the money & advertising since sponsors realize that when it come to sporting events, people normally want to see the best and most talented play

    Oh then I guess that™s why in the States when people want to see the best and most talented soccer players they go to see the girls¦

    Kel1: That women can or could compete with men in athletics, but they have been so long in gaining opportunities (thanks in part to chauvinism and sexual harassment) or that they must choose between other opportunities, that we haven™t fully seen what women are capable of achieving in the wide, wide world of sports

    The childbirth comment must be thrown into this one. A male athlete can have a child coz he doesn™t have to put a haul on his career. A woman must.

    TH: Never said girls/women should not be encouraged. I think they should, vigorously. But, they should be encouraged to strive for attainable goals, not things that will never happen. What should be out there is giving young girls hope and direction towards being a Doctor, Astronaut, Professor, etc. all of which I have no doubt can be realized by women who choose to put forth the effort.

    For a second there I thought you would encourage them to be housewives, so I guess that™s some kind of progress. Maybe girls are fed up of being told what it is that they can do and what they can™t and I™m pressuming you have never been into that situation coz else you would understand what this whole thing is about. Why a girl should be encourage to be a doctor if she wants to be an athlete? Maybe you should go back to high school and check on the male athletes in there and encourage them to not give up on school instead.

    TH: Preaching that a female may one day play in the NFL, outrun a male in the mile run etc., etc. and deluding other females that it could happen

    Well if you check records they have outrun male™s world records in the past so you never know what the next generation can acomplish if you let them dream instead of pushing their heads down. Maybe today a woman can™t beat a man™s world record but that record can be and will be broken by a woman one day that once was told that she could do whatever she set her mind to. So of course men will break it before and set new ones, that™s what sports are about, and that™s one of the main reasons why there are female and male records anyway.

    Just a question: do you have dreams? God it must have been hard growing up for you since all dreams are unattainable at the very beginning, EVEN for someone who wants to be an astronaut; if you haven™t noticed there™s no school for ˜aspiring astronaut kids™ whatsoever only hardwork and aspiration to get there one day. And even when they have gone through high school, college, masters, whatever there™s still a chance for them to never fulfill their dreams. But if you don™t dream, if you don™t keep trying, what else are you supposed to do? At this point I don™t expect you to understand. I only can pity you.

    Kel1: What you think cannot be done may just one day actually be achieved

    Yup, Truth Hurts here justs needs to grab a history book and look at all the things that people once said that couldn™t be done and eventually was: trip around the world, flying planes,¦those are only a few.

    TH: “So what if the female record holders were 20 some seconds behind the men”¦.Huh??¦That™s the whole point!¦they™re more the 20 – 30 seconds slower because they CAN™T COMPETE ON AN EQUAL LEVEL with the male competition

    Sure they can and that™s exactly what they have done in that stupid marathon of yours. Gosh, do us a favour and learn more examples for your next post will you? If they couldn™t compete then all the men in that marathon would have outstood the women and obviously they didn™t – not to mention women wouldn™t have been allowed to run in the first place. So what the winning woman didn™t beat the winning man. And? Marathons are not about girls vs boys they are personal fights vs time, as everything that goes around athletics really. Go talk to an athletics coach, he may enlighten you.

    TH: “Does this mean they should never compete in the first place because the odds are against them?”¦.No¦I never said that¦.they should compete for a variety of reasons but should not be deluded into a belief by the “you can do anything” crowd that they can one day make it as a pro unless they are in the elite 1% that do¦.otherwise they™ll be wasting their time and efforts chasing a dream when they could be better spent on attaining a career or occupation they would excel at

    Are you honest about this? Will you really tell this to a boy too?

    All I can say is that I™m glad you were born
    male, life as a girl for you would have been hell on earth, you would have lasted one day, hardly

    TH: Therefore,to suggest to a female athlete that she spend her life pursuing a athletic fairy tale ending that she may make it one day in NFL football, NBA, MLB baseball, etc. if she sets her mind to it is irresponsible and misleading.

    Of course she should focus on her homemaking career.

    C™mon, grow up! And you may like to know that girls do not play in NBA neither want to, they™d much rather play in WNBA.

    TH: Let everyone have a fair shot at trying BUT!!¦don™t push to lower the entry standards to suit less talented people just to say they got on! If someone (male or female) can “pass the test” for entry then so be it. But¦as is normally the case, special interest groups push for changes to ease the qualifying standards thereby polluting the field just to prove a point!

    Here we go again¦ What is it? Some average girl was better than you and they sat you on the stool for seasons? Maybe you should be around more girls to know that that™d be the last thing they would be asking for. If you can™t be around girls for the obvious reasons you should rent ˜G.I. Jane™ and check out what she does with the ˜lowering the entry standards™ Who know you may ende up learning a thing or two
    Elizabeth: You know, lots of girls can™t play. That™s why i™m doing a report.
    That™s the problem, it™s not that they can™t play is that they are NOT allowed to. That™s what needs to be changed. That and certain persons mentality obviously but I cannot stress that one any more.

    TH Fan: Im sorry to sound so biased but its too refute all the sexist females here

    Oh so standing your ground is being sexist¦ that™s interesting. Piece of advice, buy a dictionary today and look sexist up.

    TH Fan: men are taller, stronger, faster and have more muscle mass. And since we seem to have invented almost everything and run everything and lead every country and boardroom we™re smarter too.

    Thanks for marking the ˜since we seem to™. Okay you do not seem to need a dictionary you actually need it. Seem means to give the impression of being. Therefore it don™t necessarily has to be such as mean leading every country. I mean, are you serious? Men lead every country? My bad, forget the dictionary and get yourself an encyclopedia. Completely subestimated you there, you™re more dense than what I thought at first. No need to comment on your triumphant: we™re smarter.

    7: There is a reason that men play in the Superbowl. If females were allowed to play a masculine sport such as football, nobody but other lesbians would watch, and the sponcers would disappear. Nobody want to watch females play sports. Why are you so adamant about females playing sports is this some lesbian vendetta against men? Why lesbian? Females who act masculine are gay.

    And your reason for men playing in the Superbowl is?

    News Flash 7 females ARE allowed to play football, have you heard of Katie Hnida? Instead of writing try reading first, you may gain benefit and even some knowledge on topics you have no idea about.

    Nobody wants to watch females play sports? Check soccer, check synchronized swimming, check tennis, check basketball, check volleyball, etc.

    7: Co-ed? God separated male and female for a reson. They don™t mix well. That means both genders share the same smelly locker room. Most men do not want to play football with militant man hating lesbians.

    God separated male and female¦ they don™t mix well¦
    Uh, that has popped some questions: Are you yourself a man hating lesbian or a woman hating gay? Were you test tube generated? Seems your parents didn™t mix well¦

    And just in case you don™t know most men do not want to play football with people that CAN kick them out of a team whether that be a female or another male and if you want some proof of that go back in America™s history and check what happened in Alexandria with the T.C. Williams football team.

    7: You™re telling me this not some wakko liberal lesbo website for homosexual females to vent about Title IX?

    Why liberal gets immediately linked with lesbian?

    Plus you™ll be glad to know that “although the most prominent “public face” of Title IX is its impact on high school and collegiate athletics, the original statute made no reference to athletics” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

    7: Straight girls are innto boys and makeup not sports. Homosexual females like sports because they can see other females in skimpy clothing.

    You just offended the whole wide world female population. Straight girls are into boys into makeup and into whatever they want to be into, sports included. Have you ever been to a stadium? Maybe not seems you™re mentally still in kindergarden so probably it™s not safe for you to be hanging out and about, so let me fill you in: stadiums are usually full of girls mad about sports that go along friends, family, boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, their kids, their neighbours. I could really go on and on. But I™d rather point out your little experience when it comes to being involved in a team sport coz else you™d be pretty aware of clothing being the least important thing once the whistle goes. Ah my my.

    And that™s all folks! Sorry it took so long but had to get it all off my chest. I must also apologize coz it did look neater in my 8 pages long word document¦ :S Anyway I™m going to reply now to the original post: aka please post the names and/or web sites of women who play football at any level :

    Sacramento Sirens, their site has a women™s football history section worth visiting:
    http://www.sacramentosirens.com/sswomen/sirenswomensfootball_history.htm

    History of Girls Playing Tackle Football: http://www.fortunecity.com/wembley/mueller/641/princesses/timeline.html

    And there are lots of stories like this young girl™s who hopes to one day play professional football for the Pittsburgh Passion. Like I said who needs NFL? : ) : http://www.wpxi.com/news/13887061/detail.html?cnn=yes
    You can also take a few seconds off to vote in that site the question is: should girls play on boys™ football team? So far Yes goes ahead: 60% (106 votes) whilst No has 40% (72 votes) of the votes

    And last but not least to everyone out there trying to do their thing some great advice taken from the movie “The Pursuit of Happyness”: “You got a dream, you gotta protect it. People can’t do something themselves, they wanna tell you that you can’t do it. You want something? Go get it. Period.”

    Take Care!

  53. Avatar for gretchen says

    Wow. Just…wow. Please don’t apologize for the length of your post. It was fabulous.
    Love your quote at the end from “The Pursuit of Happyness,” too. Awesome, and so true.

    Ice–you rock. ;)

  54. Avatar for gretchenziggysmommy says

    HOLY COW! Ice, You Rock!!!! Thanks for the info. I read it to my girl f-ball player( broke it down to 8yr old level) and she though it was great.

    Amanda, how did practice go?

    Update on my daughter-for those of you lurking/reading. She BROKE HER ARM ! during Thurs. night practice. They were running tackling drills and her hand hit the ground the same time the other guys helmet hit her wrist. She is going to miss their season opener.
    We were in the ER waiting and she wanted to know when she could play again. Ha-ha. As soon as she is hard-casted ( next Tues.) she can be padded up and back in the game. Now, I don’t know how I feel about that but, if it keeps her from getting discouraged….

  55. Avatar for gretchen says

    @Ice: that was SO awesome! Thanks for posting that and for backing it up with the links. There are so many tangents you could go off on that you should consider picking one or two and entering them in the contest.

    @ziggysmommy: What a trooper! That shows true heart when she is still willing to play, cast and all. I did the same thing after I broke my back. I got right back on the basketball court as soon as I got released to play. I had to steer clear of the rough action under the net, but I got to shoot a lot of 3-pointers and run plays. We are tougher than we give ourselves credit for sometimes. ;)

    Oh and I wanted to add that I made the boys basketball team in the 6th grade, not because I wanted to compete against or with the boys, but because that was my ONLY option to play basketball. Ice speaks the truth, and it does not hurt. [-(

  56. Avatar for gretchenAllen says

    I`m not being sexist but im being truthful and blunt when I say girls wont survive College ball or Pro ball…High School ball yes…but beyond that…very rare but still possible..just look at Holley Mangold and her goals…seems possible to me…oh yeah…why cant guys play Volleyball??

  57. Avatar for gretchen says

    Seems to me that Allen did not read through this entire thread. :-w

    And guys DO play volleyball. If I am not mistaken, Men’s Volleyball is an Olympic sport.

  58. Avatar for gretchenanjelica72 says

    I am a girl. I play highschool football. I also play on the not-so-heard-of line. I kick there butts up and down the field everyday. I dont get special treatment..cause i dont ask for it. It does take me longer to become apart of the team. I dont shower with the guys. (nor do i want to..eww) I have played baseball cause softball is to..easy..i wasnt warmly accepted there either. I have played football for 4 years now. People always ask questions like “how do you do it?”
    “do you ever see a boy naked?”
    well i do it cause i have somehting to prove and i play harder cause i have something to play for. the dont take it easy on me…but the coaches use it as an excuse to make the boys try harder. the actually go harder on me cause im a girl. it sucks having to get dressed in the girls bathroom cause they dont have a spare locker room.. but thats about the only part that does suck.
    I dont intend to further my ‘career’ cause i dont have a lot of stamina…not at all really..and i dont think i could ever be a strong.

  59. Avatar for gretchen says

    Anjelica – you are already strong if you are out there playing alongside the boys on the same team. I know from experience that it takes a special kind of toughness to put up with the comments and snide remarks and to shower separately, etc. Been there, done that. Keep at it for as long as it makes you happy. :)>-

  60. Avatar for gretchen says

    hey you I just wanted to refer you to our site all about women’s professinal football teams and leagues IWFL NWFA and WPFL.
    check em out listen to our show and call in.
    thanks for supporting women.
    meg

  61. Avatar for gretchen says

    Thanks – I’m getting a lot of hits on this thread from folks looking for info about girls football. Hopefully, they will see your link. :)

  62. Avatar for gretchenziggysmommy says

    Hi everyone. Just wanted to let you ladies know that I am faithfully reading these posts and learning alot. We are off to see my daughters season opener. Not that she’ll be playing but, she’s still in uniform ready to go support her team.

  63. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    I play football for the high school team, im a junior. ive played since 6th grade and i was really good until this year, ive had some injures and i really dont know if i should play anymore.
    im a lineman, which is one of the toughest positions, offense and defense. its rough considering the guys arent little anymore, for the most part im accepted by the team they are all my friends. but its really painful.i might just finsih the high school career and prove everybody wrong but idk if i can.

    the first practice ever, i was a 6th grader and my dad was at the practice and he said that some of the parents were like “ill bet she wont last one week” but ive lasted over 5 years.

    and im not weak im on the records for weightlifting and in track and feild.

    its possible that girls can play ive done it so dont be dissing girls!

    BUT…
    what do you think i shoud do???

  64. Avatar for gretchen says

    Jasmine – I had to make a similar decision when I was a Sophomore in high school. I was severely injured by a drunk driver my Freshman year and broke my back. By my Sophomore year I was playing basketball again, but I still had to be cautious with my injuries and I wasn’t getting as much playing time as before. I asked myself a couple of questions…”Do I still enjoy playing?” and “Is there something else that I enjoy more than basketball?” The answers were yes I did enjoy playing, but my interests were also expanding into other areas and there were other activities that were a higher priority for me than basketball at the time. I determined that it was best for me to finish that season and then turn my focus to music, which was my main interest (and still is). You will have to ask yourself if you are playing because you love the game or playing just to prove a point. Personally, I think you’ve already shown them that you can play. Kudos to you for sticking it out. I’m sure it wasn’t easy. ^:)^

  65. Avatar for gretchen says

    I think you should find a women’s league in your area what state do you live in. There are three leagues the independant women’s football league the women’s professional league and the national womens league. also check out are radio show women’s football talk.
    women have their own teams age range from 18 to 45.

  66. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    Well, im almost 17, and i live in the great state of oregon! lol

    i do enjooy playing just not as much as i was when i was little

    i think im gonna finish high school, just to tell my grandkids i did it! lol and to prve ppl wrong, and id just feel good if i finished, the seasons already started and im gonna live with the pain.

    i wasnt in any major accidents i mean i was hanging out with my friedns and we were driving and we did a chinese firedrill and the driver started going to pretend to leave us and i was diving in the van door and it hit me pretty hard, but thats about it… i have horrible shoulders tho they both dislocate every two fricken minutes… ok no more me complaining… im done

    my dicision now is to finish. if anything goes on ill let you know.

  67. Avatar for gretchen says

    hey they have two teams in Oregon one in Eugene and one in corvalis. look it up on the iwfl website also once again tune into http://www.wfbtalk.com
    we would love to have you call in and talk of your experience playing on a boys team listen to the shows and tell us what you think. And check out all the women’s teams you will find that it is pretty awesome.
    meg

  68. Avatar for gretchenfootballchick says

    Hey, have any of you noticed there hasnt been ONE smart @$$ comment from “Truth Hurts” since MAY 28th!!!!! ITS SEPTEMBER!!!!!!!! Maybe he realized that BOTH, man and woman are BOTH equaly gifted in sports, smarts, and so much more. (and not that im against it but you have kind of made this supporting website a I.M. strangers blog!)

  69. Avatar for gretchen says

    so have any of you guys listened to the show lately wfbtalk.com you can archieve the old shows its all about women playing professional football all the teams all the leauges everything. All feedback is welcome so check it out and let is know all chat about real women’s tackle football.
    thanks for the support.
    meg

  70. Avatar for gretchenMike Giles says

    Will it still be fun in the future after having girls in football becomes widely accepted and that “take the toys away from the boys” feeling fades?

  71. Avatar for gretchenCompletely Neutral says

    Okay, just for the record, I’m a guy. If that makes all of you girls out there want to stop reading here you can do that. But I can see this site is pretty good about listening to opinions. For starters, I have to say this is one hell of an argument. And quite frankly, I say girls can do whatever they want. Some records are held by men, some records are held by women. What I dont want to hear, is someone(Truth Hurts) handing out records and someone else(ice) handing out more records about how their gender has these awesome records in whatever. Aren’t the sexes supposed to be equal? Ladies, I know the first thing that comes up to bat when I say that is childbirth. Well, if you really hated the pain of childbirth and are sympathetic, you wouldn’t wish that on anyone. The look in your partner’s eyes when you’re giving birth to your child should show you how much he would share that pain if he could. Either that, or you can kick your life partner in the balls every 30 seconds as hards as your can all throughout your labor. I’m sure he’ll understand the pain your in. For my fellow guys, hey, women see us doing some things that we think only we can do, and want to join in on the fun. If alot of you think that girls playing the same sport you are takes the fun out of it, that’s your opinion, not the opinion of the entire world.
    My girlfriend is REALLY good at alot of sports we play. If me and my friends play football, we invite her, basketball, we invite her, soccer, we invite her. She can keep up with us effotlessly. Now there are some girls who can’t quite keep up with us, and would rather do things we would consider ‘girly’. That doesn’t account for all of them however.

    As I’ve seen though, most sites are like this one, they start by stating that girls can do all the same things as guys. But others, turn that into girls would totally kick guys’ asses at a everything. This site has remained relatively neutral. Once again, alot of us guys refuse to say it and alot, if not three quarters of all women say the sexes are equal. The oter quater, hate the way men act and claim that women are better than men. I know I’m getting kinda off topic but please bear with me and my ranting. ^_^; Even though I believe the sexes are equal, the truth is, they’re drifting apart at a shocking rate. Women claim the sexes to be unequal in a number of ways. Rights to play sports, pregnancy, sexual abuse, social rights. Men claim the sexes to be unequal also. chivalry, social rights, yadda yadda yadda. For instance, I’m sure we’ve heard this one before,if a guy has sex with alot of girls, he’s a stud. If a girl has sex with alot of guys, she’s a whore. Thats one example, of the social retardedness of the human race. Here’s a joke my friend told me.

    A woman was sitting in a boat, reading a book, when a police boat pulled up. He told the woman she couldn’t fish here. She said she wasnt fishing, she was reading, even though there was fishing equipment in the boat. He pointed this out, and told her he would have to arrest her and escort her to shore. When he touched her, she told him that she would say he tried to rape her. But the man, told her, she had no proof, her didn’t try to rape her, he was just doing his job. She pointed out that he had the equipment to rape her, he just wasn’t using it. Thereby forcing him to leave her be.

    Chivalry is another thing that guys tend to bring up. Why do guys pull out chairs/open doors/etc. etc. for girls? The same reason girls don’t do that for us. There really isn’t one. So why continue doing it? You really dont have to but it makes you seem like a nicer person.

    Girls, why do guys think they have the advantage over you? That’s just it. We think we have the advantage. But that’s brought about by certain actions. Chivalry being one of them. Girls dont seem to think much of it when a guy pulls out a chair for them. They think ‘aww, thats sweet’, while we think ‘I have to pull out the chait for THEM, because they can’t do it themselves’. Which leads to more gender unequalness.

    And finally, the most annoying controversial thing ever. What’s considered sexual abuse. Girls, I’m sure you’ve kicked a guy in the nuts one too many times right? Why don’t you see us retaliate with a sucker punch right to the chest?(I’ve heard that hurts quite a bit). Cause then we’d get in trouble, and you’d get off stark free. If a guy were to punch a girl in the chest, everyone would cry foul, omg! that’s sexual abuse!
    But if a girl kicks some guy in the nuts, everyone thinks he deserves it, he either said something or did something wrong. The did something part, maybe warranted it. The said something part does not. How many of you guys have gotten kicked in the balls by a girl for no apparent reason? Or just because its amusing? I’ve known many girls who thought it was just funny.

    Guys, girls like to be told they’re pretty, and on occasion, that they’re hot. Not every 5 seconds, not behind they’re back, not if you dont really mean it. Girls feel like they’re eye candy when they’re surrounded by us. Some girls act that way towards us, but thats the slim minortity.

    Just thought I’d rant and rave about my feelings for a bit. The reaction I expect now though, is that both of you guys will gang up on me.

    Please defy my expectations!!

  72. Avatar for gretchenGuys are retarded says

    man, you’re retarded. girls are obviously better than guys. guys are all just mean and retarded.
    Chivalry is there because that’s what we girls deserve.

  73. Avatar for gretchenfootballchick says

    You know what “Mike Giles”? Everybody boys AND GIRLS deserve to play on the same team. Everybody exsept you. You can sit at home typeing on this website or you can get off your lazy butt and play some football with the girls. Becasue we cant wait to beat your butt and show you what some girls can do with a pigskin, O.K.?

  74. Avatar for gretchenMike Giles says

    Sure, show me what you can do, on a girl’s team. A girl playing on a boy’s team is like having a weak, sub-standard boy on the team. This is especially true in the late teens as boys develop more upper body strength. She would be a disadvantage in a boy’s team.

  75. Avatar for gretchenCompletely Neutral says

    What did I just finish saying? Already we have people talking about how girls cant play football and about how girls will totally kick ass at it. Helloooooo, neither matters as long as equality of the sexes means equality of the sexes in everyway.

  76. Avatar for gretchen says

    Completely Neutral – your first post was excellent. You have some very valid points. You’re probably gonna get hit from all sides for it, but that’s ok. It will be worth it. ;)

    As for “guys are retarded” – I let your comment go through for one reason and one reason only…so I could tell you that it was immature and pointless. No one is retarded. While I would agree that we females should be treated courteously, chivalry is not quite the word I would have used. We are not fragile princesses here. Please refrain from the name calling and put-downs. Thanks. :)>-

  77. Avatar for gretchenIce says

    Mike Giles: Will it still be fun in the future after having girls in football becomes widely accepted and that “take the toys away from the boys” feeling fades?

    Yup. It will be, because the girls involved in football, whatever the level, don’t do it so they can “take the toys away from the boys” but because they actually enjoy playing football. I doubt they go through all rough things they go just to annoy boys.

    Completely Neutral: What I dont want to hear, is someone(Truth Hurts) handing out records and someone else(ice) handing out more records about how their gender has these awesome records in whatever.

    The only reason why I put those records was so that Truth Hurts stopped whinning about no one refuting his statements.

    Completely Neutral: Girls dont seem to think much of it when a guy pulls out a chair for them. They think ˜aww, thats sweet™, while we think ˜I have to pull out the chait for THEM, because they can™t do it themselves™.

    Is that what you think when you pull a chair out for someone? Gosh, I could be thinking that myself if we were talking about someone who for some real reason couldn’t pull the chair out himself or herself but not ONLY because she’s a girl. Chivalry has nothing to do with doing things for people who can’t do them themselves.

    That cleared I’d like first to apologize for not coming back to this site before and to thank Kel, Ziggysmommy and Gretchen for the nice feedback. Muchly appreciated.

    Gretchen, thanks for encouraging me to enter the contest but I’m not registered and I’d really know what to write (probably I’ll end up ruining the nice points made in the posts lol).

    Ziggysmommy, I hope your daughter’s team did well and that she had a great time too. Hope she can be back in the football field soon.

    Take care!!

  78. Avatar for gretchen says

    hum it seems as if i entered an 8th grade converstion on the subject and as far as girls playing you are right we do it just for fun because we love football go to a game some of the hits are just as hard and we had have people paralyzed just the same so its all the same.
    who cares who is equal it is not about that for me football is what i like to do and I just like to play.

  79. Avatar for gretchenMike Giles says

    Sure, have fun playing football! Girls on girl’s teams, boys on boy’s teams. Any policy that forces girls onto a boy’s team is just wrong.

  80. Avatar for gretchen says

    Ok, stand back – we have a hot topic here… I think we need to bring some clarity to the table here. Football is a rough sport – we all know that. I would venture to say that there aren’t any football players at the pro level that weigh less than – say 150-200 pounds (someone will argue that tehre is “this one guy on this one team…” but I said MOST, ok?). It is probably safer to say that most pro NFL players weigh over 250 pounds because muscle weighs more than fat and these guys are all in top shape. Now, most girls in top shape are not going to weigh anywhere near that (again I said MOST). That being said, perhaps football should be divided into weight classes much like wrestling. If that were the case, I think more smaller guys could play and so could the women. You don’t need to segregate the teams based on gender. There is nothing wrong with co-ed sports. :)>-

  81. Avatar for gretchenAllstar D-end. says

    Okay, just for the record gretchen, I think your sight is great, but there is too many boys and girls alike thinking they are better than the other.. they need to stop. Sports aren’t about how big, tall, or strong someone is. They are about HEART! That is all you need to be sucessful =]

  82. Avatar for gretchenThis should not even be a debate says

    Let me start by saying that I think a girl shoud definitely play football or boxing or whatever sport shw wants on a male team if she has the kills and strength for it. Can someone please tell me of these rights that girls don’t have to play sports??

    Everyone here who says that a girl can do anything a guy can do in sports is more naive than the people who thought the world was flat. Males are GENETICALLY stronger, faster, etc. What some of you are trying to do is somehow alter about a million years of evolution and make the x chromosone equal to the y chromosone. The day that happens, humanity will cease to exist. Males and females are different emotionally and physcially. Period. That doesn’t mean that a girl can’t lift weights and train hard and be faster and stronger than a male. But all those incredibly stupid blanket statements about women can do anything men do in sports are ridiculous.

  83. Avatar for gretchenGirly football says

    Girls playing football is not like them playing basketball. When they play basketball it’s like the game is in slow motion. I pass up tickets to girls basketball games all the time. But as far as football goes LETS WATCH EM FLY BABY!

  84. Avatar for gretchenvalleycub35 says

    I LOVE PLAYING FOOTBALL WITH MY BROTHER.I TELL BOYS I LIKE PLAYING FOOTBALL AND I SAY I AM KINDA GOOD BUT THEY JUST LAGH.BUT THE OTHER DAY SOME BOYS I KNEW WANTED TO KONW IF I WANTED TO BE ON THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM AT PE.I WAS GLAD THEY ASKED ME TO PLAY AND THEY DID NOT CARE THAT I WAS A GIRL.

  85. Avatar for gretchenfootball girl says

    i have played football since forth grade. i am now trying out for the JV football team at my highschool. out PE coach at school is a male chauvinist and he makes me sick! i could go on for hours about him. he overheard a few days ago that my friend and i were going to tryout for the football team and he said that we wouldn’t even have a chance to tryout,and if we did he said we would never make it. he is the baseball coach. i could go on for hours about the things he has said to us. anyways, his comments to me and the things i have read here written by truth hurts and others only encourage me and make me want to be on the team even more. thank you. when i get on that team and make it all the way to the NFL i am going to rub it in his face. oh ya- and i am a straight A+ student, in all honors classes. i play paintball and ride dirtbikes also. you haven’t discouraged me at all. GIRLS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS GUYS, IN ATHLETICS AND ACADEMICS!! when i tell the guys at my school i am going to try out, some support me and some laugh. the ones that laugh give me the strenght to play and the ability to rub it in their faces when i make the team!

  86. Avatar for gretchen says

    so if you love them so much then check ou the sacramento sirens and the houston engery to different women’s leagues and teams I have plsyed on both and football is hot!

  87. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    to football girl.
    first of all your awesome second of all did ou make then team? i play jv too and we had a game tonight and we lost 42-28 but i played the whole second half and got 2 tackles. and tomorrowe im going to the varsity game but i know i wont play.
    but there is a difference between me and you. the whole entire town supports me and i think you need to find some inspiration like that!

    ps what position do you play???

  88. Avatar for gretchenfootball girl says

    Jasmine-

    thanks for the support! i am going to try out next year, and i don’t know if i will make it. i am practicing hard and working towards my goal. I don’t know what position i will play yet, but when i use to play flag, i played tackle. that is so cool that the whole town supports you and that you get to play on varsity also. thanks for the support!

  89. Avatar for gretchenEx female track runner; mother of one!!! says

    I had a long argument last night with my husband about female and men in sports. I found this site due to that debate.
    I agree that there are some differences with body anatomy but I am sorry to tell the men who think women are weaker are WRONG!!! Not my idea just documented facts.
    There is a great web site I found “womens sports foundation” created by Billie Jean King (who by the way did beat a man at tennis). This is just one site that tells you why women can play sports— http://www.womenssportsfoundation.org
    We as humans need to stop being ignorant and realize all females need to be held at the same levels as men.
    I ran track (sprinter, 100m 200m and relay, plus discus and long jump)I also remember a coed meet where I was running the 200M and heard one of the runners friends/team mates screaming, “Don’t let a girl beat you!!!” Well that really changed my speed and I did beat him and all the rest I ran against during that meet. At the age of 16 I hit the 12 second mark in the 100M. Not many men at that age can do that either. Its not easy.
    Men will alway want to be the Alfa in sports.
    And there are many women athletes that can and are better then men. Sorry “Truth Hurts” to say no woman can be better than a man in ANY sport is ignorant.
    After the debate my husband and I both learned something, we learned women can play but there are some differences with the male and female body. We both learned too that each have their own strength they give to sports.
    So Truth Hurts read up on some documented facts and get off your high horse, men like you are the ones who keep others down.

  90. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    I am considering trying out for the football team next year (as it is too late to tryout now). I am a girl. I was just wondering if anyone had advice on what I can do to increase my chances of making the team…and if anyone has gone through tryouts (event though they could be different at different high schools) what you had to do…Please let me know…Thanks.

    I found this site very informative and was dissapointed that SOME men seem to be very sexist, but oh well, they seemed to have stopped posting…Thanks Again!
    ; )

  91. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    -girls can play football too!!
    well my advise to you is too get in the weight room start lifting some weights, unless you think your strong enough. run fast. have alot of endurance, and if you make the team expect wearing an extra 15-25 lbs extra. be tough, AND HIT HARD! lol
    at my school we dont have tryouts cuz our town is prolly like the size of your highschool. but ive had a history of playing football, ive played since 6th grade. and when i was in 7th grade i asked the high school head coach if he would let me play in highschool, and he said YES. (but when he was in highschool my aunt and him were like best friends soo.. idk if that made a difference)
    we had our homecoming game last night and we won i didnt play but i stood on the sidelines. lol

    the beggining part is my advise to you!

  92. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    Thank-you so much for your advice Jasmine. Could you let me specifically how much I might need to be able to lift, a mile time, or anything else that might be helpful? I am on Cross Country, so I have endurance, but I am not very fast…Thanks so much!!

  93. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    well my freshman year i could bench 150 lbs and squat 250, and im a junior now soo. my mile time isnt pretty but im a linemen so for me it doesnt matter soo much, but i would say from 5-7 minutes. during summer conditioning we would lift and run 2 miles and at the end of the summer we have a test and it was 3 miles like sprinting…it sucked. but it really depends on what position you are wanting to play. for a linemen you need to be really strong. reciever…speed and need to be able to take a hit. runningback speed strength and take a hit. qb, throw and you need to know every SINGLE PLAY EVER MADE, for every position lol. and then there is kicker which is prolly the easiest you just gotta have a boot. thats about all i got for ya. you need anything else just let me know.

  94. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    Yeah…I am not that strong…so I guess what I really need to work on is lifting…I am planning on doing Track in the spring, so I can work on my mile time then…I’m thinking reciever would be the best position for me…although I am kindof short (5′ 3″), so that might affect what position I would be able to play…I’m not really sure…My one fear about doing football is what everyone will think…I am pretty sure most of the guys wouldn’t like it so much (at least at first) and probably the school would think I am strange…I don’t know…but thanks for all your help, and if you can give me any tips on which position you think I should play, that would be great. Thanks so much!!

  95. Avatar for gretchenAngie says

    My daughter Jessica plays linewoman on the boys JV team at Clackamas High School in Clackamas, Or. She has gotten a lot of playing time in the past but this year she has only played 3 minuites. One of the coach has been heard saying that he doesn’t want girls on the team. She can bench 150lbs squat 325lbs, can out lift 3/4 of the boys on the team. I have had parents tell me that if she was a boy she would be on varsity. I would love to have a woman’s right group come protest one of her games.

  96. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!! im from OREGON AND I PLAY TOO, im from a small town called banks. we should meet! lol just tell the coach that she can prove herself and idk beat a really good guy…but she should transfer if he really doesnt want her to play, and if she REALLY DOES!

  97. Avatar for gretchenKasy says

    Thanks this is a big help i’m at school and i’m doing my reserch paper on why can’t girls play pro football. Thanks it if you could give me some cool facts that would be a big help an get me an A

  98. Avatar for gretchenfootball girl says

    - Girls can play too

    as i said before i want to tryout for JV next year. my parents said before that i could tryout, but that they didn’t want me to play. just this weekend, they saw on the news that some kid got paralyzed from the neck down playing football, and now they wont even let me tryout.

    i still am going to tryout mo matter what they say. i am about 130 – 5’7″ – i can run the mile in about 6:32 – i dont know what i can bench – what do you think??? i can throw a junior size ball really far and i am starting to practice throwing an official size ball. its a lot bigger! again, what should i work on? what position do u recogmend? thanks

  99. Avatar for gretchenhaily murphy says

    ok so my techer is so sexist he ses that a girls place is off the feald cheering for them well no i like to play and i plan on prooving them rong so ho wel later

  100. Avatar for gretchenPALOMA says

    hey my name is paloma Iplay in the football team in my highschool. when I asked the coach if Icould be part of the team he said “oh no we have enough trainers alredy” I told him I wanted to PLAY football and he asked me to go and watch the practice that night and we could talk about it later. Iwent to practice that day and I have to admit I was a little scared because practice seemed tough but football was my dream and I was not backing up! the next day I showed up for practice and the coach said he would accept me because the rules said he could not say “no” to anyone. the first practice guys were laughing at me and saying I wouldn’t last a week. you see I’m a 110 pounds girl. I could hear them saying “what is she doing here?” “she shuld be dancing or something”. after my second practice, one of them came to me and asked me why I was still there and I said I was not giving up. the guys were takcling me super hard and throuing me to the floor. at school they would just roll their eyes. a month later i almost broke my arm because a guy tackled me and when I tried to stand up she jumped on me. three days later we had a game and I had to dress up like a boy so the guys in the other team wouldn’t notice I was a girl. most of the guys were really angry that day cause I was going to play. I got an interception!!! and two penalties :S that day they were pretty cool about it they were all ceering on me and playing cool but the next day three of them aproached me and they started saying I shouldn’t be playing. that day I decided to quit I was done I couldn’t take it. but when I told the coach he said I was a good player and I shouln’t quit. yeah the coach that didn’t want me in the team was now asking me tostay. he talked to the guys and told them what had happened. I was surprised mosto of the guys were on my side and they were all beingo nice and supportive and asking me to stay I felt so good.
    I know I don’t have the skill or the chance to make it on a pro team but I can say this is one of the greatest and hardest experiences of my life. although I’m pretty bad at it I really enjoy it. there are lots of thing thst suck like having to change in the girls bathroom or beeing refered to as “the girl in the football team” but there is some pretty good stuff too like people coming to me in he halway and saying “way t ogo football girl!” and stuff I really love playing.
    but it’s kindda true it is very hard for a girl to be as good as a boy because of how we are physially built but it is not impossible.
    thanks for this great site!

  101. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    Hey Jasmine (or anyone else) could you respond to my previous post? Thanks so much for all your advice!!

  102. Avatar for gretchenJasmine says

    Well if you think your gonna be QB its probably not gonna be that way because it takes alot, you have to know every play for most positions, the qb is who everyone asks what to do, when they dont know. but idk its really tough to determine the best position for you because i dont know hat your like or any of that but judging by what youve said idk reciever, tight end, maybe runningback, but all of those are tough positions and it takes skill. and for defense id prolly say corner or defensive end, possibly saftey. but dont let me tell you what to do if you dont like those postions dont do it.

  103. Avatar for gretchenfootball girl says

    WOW!!! this is just such an amazing site! there are so many inspiring stories! thanks so much

  104. Avatar for gretchen#76 says

    I am a girl. I go to school in a small town in Colorado named Burlington. I played flag football from 1st through 6th grade. this is my 7th grade year and i played on the football team. None of my 4 coaches had a problem with it and were all very supportive. At like the 5th or 6th practice the head coach told me and my mom that he had never had a girl on his team (which we knew, because i am the first girl that my grandpa can rember playing on the football team and hes lived here his whole life)but that he would deal with it as best as he could. We had our last of 9 nine games last saturday. We won 1 game this season and it was first-round playoffs.lol. I never got any special treatment at practice. I was on starting lineup for offense as guard for 4 out of the 7 games( and no it wasnt because we didn’t have enough players). I have played Guard, tackel, and a little bit off linebacker on offense, and Tackle, Devensive end, noseguard,and a little linebacker on defence. I have alway been the one that got bulleyd and picked on the most all through school. I thought that that would get worse during and after football season, but it actually stayed about the same. There were 5 or 6 boys on the 8th grade team that were very supportive of me all through the season. When we were checking equipment in on monday, i got an MVP trophy. I went to get it from my coach after he called my name, and everyone clapped(much to my surprise)and out of the 8th grade section i here “go Chelsee”. I dont know who said it but it made me feel SOOOO good. The practices were very hard and their were many times i wanted to quit, but i didnt. My left ankle is very weak because i have sprained it several times. After EVERY practice it hurt so bad. I had no choise but to push through it and take a tylonal.lol. I had so much fun this season. The funny thing is that even though i might sit in the lunch room and think” oh hes cute”, when I put my equipment on the only thing that is on my mind is football. Burlington is a town of about 2500 and i havn’t found anyone who is against me playing and who isn’t supportive. My mom has run across some other moms who say “your letting her play football?”, but none of them have have been totally against it. I plan on playing through high schol and maybe on through college. Just a quick question. Are tere any girls out there who wrestle? So, my coach odviously thought i was as good as some of the boys and better than some of them because I got an MVP trophy. Any girls out there who want to go out for football or wrestling or any other “boys” sport, but are affraid of gettingmade fun of or being thought less of, Do it. Because 20 years from now is it really going to matter that “that kid or person” called you a name or made fun of you? Or is it going to matter more that you regret that you didn’t play the sport or do the thing that you truly wanted to? If you truly want something, you can do anything. If you are a girl who plays/played football in highschool and would be willing to give me a little advise on how to get ready for it, it would be highly apreciated. If you are thinking about playing jr. high football and want some advice, I would be happy to give you some. see ya.

  105. Avatar for gretchenfootballchick says

    ok I have never played football on a team in my life! and im trying out for the boys team next season but im really scared!im pretty sure i can do it becasue i have played with boys that are on a team and im better than them. but im still really nervous about what the coaches or other players or parents would think. all my guyfriends play and they all say it would be great or cool or whatever if i played but somehow i have a hard time beliveing them. i mean they re my best friends what else could they say!? but anyways i know how to play football i do it all the time, but not on a team. and i dont really know what the positions are. thats what worrys me. i dont really know what they are or how to play them. i have play QB and lineman and thats it. and advise???

  106. Avatar for gretchenfootballchick says

    ok I have never played football on a team in my life! and im trying out for the boys team next season but im really scared!im pretty sure i can do it becasue i have played with boys that are on a team and im better than them. but im still really nervous about what the coaches or other players or parents would think. all my guyfriends play and they all say it would be great or cool or whatever if i played but somehow i have a hard time beliveing them. i mean they re my best friends what else could they say!? but anyways i know how to play football i do it all the time, but not on a team. and i dont really know what the positions are. thats what worrys me. i dont really know what they are or how to play them. i have play QB and lineman and thats it. and advise for someone that trying something completly new but doesnt want to quit. and that doesnt really know what shes doing??

  107. Avatar for gretchen#76 says

    We dont have tryouts because were such a small school. I think the first thing you should do is talk to the coaches before tryouts. See how they feel about it. I was really scared that the coaches would be totally against me playing, but i found out at the first practice that they were all pretty cool about it. I wasn’t really scared until the first practice we had in pads. that night i was really starting to freak out cuz most of the boys had dads and older brothers that really helped them. i thought they were going to be hitting me relly hard, but it turned out they didnt. it’s awsome that you have have friends who are on the team because they are probably going to support you and stand up for you, and that will help a lot. The best thing you can do is to go out there and try it and not let anyone stop you. About not knowing the positions, if you have a good coach he should some what explane them. QB is a really tuff position. You take a lot of hard hits and tackles. you also have to know EVERY play. A lot of the game depends on you. A QB has to be able to through and run exceptionally. The QB rellies on the offensive line to give him(or her) enough time to throw or the right hole to run through. The offensive line has a very important job. they have to know the plays, but not to the extence that the QB or running backs do. The defensive line has to be able to get through the other teams offensive line. They have to know the different stacks and wholes but thats about it. If that isnt enough information let me know and ill help try to help you out some more. by the way, do you have a myspace?

  108. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    I am kindof in the same boat as footballchick…I do not have a myspace however, so I would appriciate it if any other advice could be posted here as well…thanks so much!

  109. Avatar for gretchen says

    check out all the women’s football leagues. really women playing professional football with real women. three different main leagues exist. iwfl wpfl nwfa check them all out at wfbtalk.com or at womensfootballtalk.com

  110. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    Also, I would like it if other people would give their opinions on what position I should play. I am 5′ 3″ and about 120 lbs…any ideas? open to all suggestions, except kicker…I would be willing to play kicker, but I want to have another position also…let me know what you think!
    ; )

  111. Avatar for gretchenfootball girl says

    i had brought up the football thing a few times with my parents, but we have all kind of been dancing around it. Last night it came up and my parents agreed – that there is no way i am playing football on the boys high school team!!!!!!!!!!!! all my dreams are crushed. its all that i want to do. i have tried and tried to convince them, but they are dead set against it. they just dont want me to get hurt. do any of you have anything i could tell them that will help them change their minds. please- i am begging you- all i want to do is play football

  112. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    I’m sorry to hear about that…try telling them that you can get hurt just as much on any other sports team…its actually true! more people at my school have gotten hurt playing soccer than playing football…and if you run a lot (like on Cross Country or Track) you can get stress fracture and that isn’t even a contact sport!! Just show them how much you want to play, and they will let you…
    ; )

  113. Avatar for gretchenZachary says

    i am doing an argument at school about this and i am for reasons why girls can do anything that boys can do. i am sorry to hear what has happened to you girls.

  114. Avatar for gretchenA GIRL THATS TELLING HER MIND says

    I totally get what your going at. I just tried to find a website about this and i came across you. I don’t think it’s fair that we have to fight to get a chance to do what every boy in the country and more, gets to do whenever they want just because they are boys. i remember when me and my friend where thinking about joining the football team because we thought atlest we would go through it together, but then my dad talked me out of it and said i would get hurt. i also looked online and found that most girls that tried this were harrassed, beaten, raped, and humiliated. one girl even came home and found her house broken into and destroyed. they left a message for her to get off the team. her parents were frightened and even moved to another state. after reading all this i thought that me and my friend didn’t stand a chance. We were just to scared to join. if i could make an argument it would be all this and that if there are really woman football leages that they should atleat make a girls football team to help prepare them, just like the boys.

  115. Avatar for gretchenA GIRL THATS TELLING HER MIND says

    Hey footballchick, i think that it’s cool your gonna play, but i would advise you not to tryout for QB and lineman. First, the QB is the big dog in the game, and most guys are gonna fight for it. that includes being harrassed alot. and if any of the lineman dont like you, your pretty much screwd. because they wont block for you the first couple of times to tell you “hey, get out of here”. and you shouldn’t be a lineman unless you’ve got alot of musele. linemen can get pretty big, aspeacially defense. but don’t loose faith. there are alot of postions to choose from. if your not sure, just pick up some books or look on the internet for help.

  116. Avatar for gretchenfootballchick says

    Hey A GIRL THATS TELLING HER MIND. I really like the advise you gave me!!! but……..no offence….im not following it. I can take the harrassment i mean im totally EXSPECTING it even. Hey if the guys want to fight for the QB or lineman spot i say bring it on. Im not backing down just because im a girl and they tell me to. If they dont block me thats cool. But im not giving up. They are just going to end up making it worse for the whole team. They dont scare me. Lol im not bragging. Thats the least thing in the world i want this to sound like, but….I have mussle! I have beaten all my football playing friends in arm wrestling, running races, plain wrestling, mersey, you name it. And they all play positions like QB, lineman, safty and others. I mean of course im freaking scared out of my mind of the harrassment, other players, coachs, even some parents. But the doesnt mean im going to not play what i love to play just because or that. I really appreciate your advise!!! It means a lot you have no idea!!! And Zachary, rock on! I love what your doing and keep going at it!!! Thats for your support!!!(L)

  117. Avatar for gretchenfootballchick says

    Hey A GIRL THATS TELLING HER MIND. I really like the advise you gave me!!! but……..no offence….im not following it. I can take the harrassment i mean im totally EXSPECTING it even. Hey if the guys want to fight for the QB or lineman spot i say bring it on. Im not backing down just because im a girl and they tell me to. If they dont block me thats cool. But im not giving up. They are just going to end up making it worse for the whole team. They dont scare me. Lol im not bragging. Thats the least thing in the world i want this to sound like, but….I have mussle! I have beaten all my football playing friends in arm wrestling, running races, plain wrestling, mersey, you name it. And they all play positions like QB, lineman, safty and others. I mean of course im freaking scared out of my mind of the harrassment, other players, coachs, even some parents. But the doesnt mean im going to not play what i love to play just because or that. I really appreciate your advise!!! It means a lot you have no idea!!! And Zachary, rock on! I love what your doing and keep going at it!!! Thanks for your support!!!(L)

  118. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    Thanks GIRL THATS TELLING HER MIND for the advice…I had already decided I wasn’t going to play QB or Lineman because I am definatly not built for either one…I am thinking of playing receiver…do you think that is a good idea?

  119. Avatar for gretchen says

    Hey ladies – I have the forums up and working now and I created a thread for you to continue the football discussion. Might be easier to manage than loading this monster page. ;) The Girl Talk forums also have private messaging for you to keep in touch. You can see the new thread here.

  120. Avatar for gretchenkennydraw says

    Girls should play football! i play football and am better then half the guys on my team and don’t get hurt as bad. Girls an do anything and people shouldn’t think all girl are prisses and girly girls we all have different personalities!!

  121. Avatar for gretchenGirls Can Play Football Too!! says

    I was just wondering if we are going to keep chatting on here or if we are starting a post on the Girl Talk forums…And anyone who wants to give some encouragement, please do as I am having doubts about the whole trying out for football next year thing…
    ; )

  122. Avatar for gretchenKC says

    I am a girl, am 16 years old, and i am a kicker for my highschool football team. I am the starting catcher on the all guys baseball team. Trust me, you can earn respect of the guys who say girls cant, by doing. actions speak louder then words ladies!

  123. Avatar for gretchenA GIRL THATS TELLING HER MIND says

    Hey everybody, sorry i didn’t reply for awile. i can only use the computer at my moms and i only see her on the weekends. Girls Can Play Football Too!! i think it’s a good idea to go for reciever. it seem like a good spot. you need to run, and of course cacth, but if you got that it’s a good chioce. footballchick im glad what i told you didn’t stop you from what postion you wanted. i figure if people want something bad enough, one way or another they will get it. im gonna check out that forum thing.

  124. Avatar for gretchenamy says

    i ask a football player if girls can play football. he said ” HAHA girls cant play football.” that is not far! we should play football are have a all girl football team.

  125. Avatar for gretcheniesaa rodriguez loves football says

    hey im a girl and i love football i tackle good i thow a football good you can do anything if you put your mind to it that goes 4 girls to in my town guys thinks its tight if a girl plays football so HA!

  126. Avatar for gretcheniesaa rodriguez loves football says

    TRY OUT 4 FOOTBALL GIVE YOUSELF CONFEDIENCE IF TOU TRY YOULL DO GOOD GIRLS CAN PLAY FOOTBALL DONT LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY GIRLS CANT PLAY FB SHOW THEM THAT YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!

  127. Avatar for gretcheniesaa rodriguez loves football says

    HEY MY BROTHER SUPPORTS ME WITH FOOTBALL AND HE PLAYS IT IN SCHOOL I THINK FB IS THE BEST SPORT INTHE WHOLE WORLD I CAN KILL GUYS IN FB ASK MY BRO PRATICE MAKES PERFECT SO ALL GIRLS WHO WANT TO TRY OUT 4 FB DO IT I AM

  128. Avatar for gretchenallichick says

    I think that people just don’t relize that we are all equial and no matter what anyone says about being not being sexist but by saying that girls can’t play football your basicly bieng sexist :-?thik about it.Also us females undure the worst pains of all pains Childbith like the persone said if we can handle childbirth why do you think we can’t handle anything else it is like saying guys cant cook.No matter what time it was or is,we still have people sayin we can’t do this or that. THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO!!!!why can’t people see that we are equal we are all hummans and we shouldn’t be discrimated by ANYONE about opions or belifs but if you look back in histroy there was a time when women did all of “man’s worlk” while doing all the other chores they do which is alot learn some histroy and look it up

  129. Avatar for gretchenMike Giles says

    I will say this again: A girl playing on a boy™s team is like having a weak, sub-standard boy on the team. This is especially true in the late teens as boys develop more upper body strength. She would be a disadvantage in a boy™s team.
    Why are there no women playing in the NFL, or mens boxing or even mens golf? Read the above statement.
    If men and women are on different teams or leagues its based on the reality that they are different. Its not some terrible sexist conspiracy!

  130. Avatar for gretchenallichick says

    what we needed,more people that don’t unerstand why this site was created I will make this loud and clear “THIS SITE WAS CREATED TO ENCOURGE WOMEN” not to dicorage them and by the way in the top it states that women do play football or were you not reading.and the resone I think people don’t let women play on men’s teams is becouse men will be discoured the a women is playing their team and people will most likly think they cheated somehow or that their gay it is true becouse it happens in school house and everywhere else and eing sexist means

    Sexism is commonly considered to be discrimination and/or hatred against people based on their sex rather than their individual merits, but can also refer to any and all systemic differentiations based on the sex of the individuals.

    Sexism can refer to subtly different beliefs or attitudes:

    The belief that one gender or sex is inferior to or more valuable than the other;
    Female or male chauvinism
    The attitude of misogyny (hatred of females) or misandry (hatred of males); as well as
    The attitude of imposing a limited and/or false notion of masculinity on males and a limited and/or false notion of femininity on females, or vice versa.
    A feeling of distrust towards the opposite or same sex, most frequently operating at unconscious level.

    Also this is another womens opion

    Ellen Lewis #76
    San Francisco StingRayz

    A friend of a friend told me she was playing football. I thought to myself if she can do it so can I. I went to the first day of tryouts and I found that the sizes of these women are very close to some of the men I know who play football themselves. I thought I am going to get hurt out here. When I told some male friends, they said the same thing. Is it the dominating men™s football that makes women football seem so unbelievable? No, it is the men and women who believe a woman™s place is not in the sports arena.

    Since the start of the WNBA, women in sports are becoming more believable. Yet women™s sports are still struggling for the exposure the men have. The level of intensity is strong when you watch women in sports. There is a drive in women to succeed in all that we do. We go out every game and give 250 % compared to the men giving 110 %. We have all heard coaches yelling, “I don™t want anything less than 110%.” And women always give more than expected. Women have to give more to gain respect from men, especially in football.

    I never thought I would say I play professional football. But my coaches are strong in their belief that we have what it takes to play football on a professional level. We hear the horror stories from the coaches, “If you don™t run this play right, and you miss that block, you’re going to lose your quarterback”. The coaches give us the inner strength to know we can knock that other woman down and get the play completed. At first you think the impossible, you practice three to four times a week just to get one play down, then the time comes and game time has arrived. Coach is yelling to get it right. The second I walk into the locker room, I am no longer a woman. I am a professional football player. There are no tears or crying. No children to care for. No food to be cooked. There are no excuses. You are here to play. Our game faces are on and we are ready.

    When we run out on the field our fans are yelling with support. We are no longer looked at as women; we are a football team – the San Francisco Stingrayz. This is the same thing men’s teams go through. The difference is they are getting paid to play the game. We play because we love the game. The sport is about teamwork. Getting the offensive line to protect the running backs and quarterbacks. The defense is protecting our end zone. No difference at all in the “Game”. Okay, so they are bigger, the have more players, they have a much larger fan base. That is because the sport started with men. We (The IWFL) are going to continue the saga with women.

    We are underestimated and we struggle for the same existence as men do in every aspect. We are held back because of the mentality that women belong raising children and caring for the family while the Husband brings home the bacon. I am a single mother. I go to work every day. At the end of my day, I pick up my son and we go to Mommy™s football practice. My son is my biggest fan. He cheers me on at every game. And because I am a single mom, I am teaching him how to play football. The truth is there is no difference between men and women in the game of football. The difference is in the money market. We run the same plays. We practice just as hard and sometimes harder because we still have to work to earn a living. But when it comes to game time, WE ARE ALL FOOTBALL PLAYERS men and women alike.

    :d

    this is women playing football and in case you havint noticed women are playing football against men and If you still say WE CAN”T PLAY
    why don’t you just say “I am agianst women”becouse you may not realize it but you are being sexist no how you deny it.
    you most likly thin women belong in the kititin [-([-x:-t but those times are over but if you keep on discrimateing us
    we still won’t back down as you can see women arn’t weak women become firefighter,police,moms,boxers, and everthing else so you can’t say we are “weak,weark minded,or belong somewhere” becouse hoe would you like it if you were at a cooking contest and they didn’t what you there becouse your male or that you said (if you have a wife) thathe belong in a kitin doing all the work while
    you just sit aroound ong nothing.Becouse women are playing football with men and they are not weak and NO MATTER WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SAYS WE WILL NOT BACK DOWN TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOMEN ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING CRITIZED BY PEOPLE THAT IS THE WHOLE PONT OF THIS WEBSITE WHY DO PEOPLE LIE YOU JOIN WHEN THAT NOT THE POINT OF THIS WESITE.And who do you think broungt you to this world?What would your mom think out this?And if she raised you to become like this I feel sory for you
    :((:((

  131. Avatar for gretchenallichick says

    also did you relize how dumb you sounded”A girl playing on a boy™s team is like having a weak, sub-standard boy on the team.Then you say “Its not some terrible sexist conspiracy!” when you are being sexist” i you don’t get my point
    why do you even tto come agianst us If clearly you are againt women why must we pull our hair trying to make you see our point of view~X(
    becouse if you were born a women how would you feel if all this critizism happend to you. Basicly it is like saying you think menare suppiror than women and my other Comment stats that “Sexism can refer to subtly different beliefs or attitudes:

    The belief that one gender or sex is inferior to or more valuable than the other;”
    which is ecaclly what you are doing.I am getting sick and tired of hearing people like you saying the same thing over and over agian and saying your not being sexist when you clearly are.And why do you try do discourge women if you are so sure are “supperor than use” we all has equal rigts and there is still so much Female sexism and discourgement many women are afriad of what other peole might like same goes for men.And Another resone your statement didn’t make any sense is becouse : the way you put it, you also think that disabled kids shouldn’t be allowed to play sports or do you think that didabled girls shouldn”t e allowed to play in those sports ethir that even though don’t have a leg they shouldn’t play.Becouse I hope people like you arn’t THAT low as to didcourge kids like that or will you encourge males to fight while sick women should be left to “thier time to leave forever”.While people like you still may not relize ir no matter how much We try to show you our piont to veiw.Many women are doing”man things” like bieng cops fighter fighters and solders. I know you will most likly say this “women should be taking care of thier famils or do other “women” stuff.But what about men they do alot of dagouse things to and they have familys and the resone men AND women
    do it is becouse they want to help use that is why they risk thier lives everyday.what does this have to do with football you
    ask it has EVERYTHING to do with it WHY becouse if we can do all that why not football.Women
    become cops why not football players? So I ask why do you so foolishly type those words without nowing what they trully mean.

    @};-@};-

  132. Avatar for gretchenMike Giles says

    Ok, I give up. You can do anything you want whenever you want to. Forget reality!
    This web page is just an echo chamber for people of one mindset, dissenting opinions are not considered or allowed.

    Have fun in you fantasy world!

    And another thing, don’t they teach you anything in school?
    ……. YOUR GRAMMAR AND SPELLING SUCKS !!!!!!

  133. Avatar for gretchenallichick says

    I type fast so I miss spell words and just becouse I have a point doesn’t mean you sould get defensive

  134. Avatar for gretchenallichick says

    Also what did they teach you at school ISN”T EVERYONE EQUAL I may be bad at grammer
    but at least I know how be fair

  135. Avatar for gretchenMike Giles says

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  136. Avatar for gretchen says

    Ok – I’m stepping in…. first of all, Mike – your response was immature which tends to invalidate any points you might have made in previous comments.

    Secondly, allchick brought some great discussion to the table which you didn’t even try to debate.

    And finally, this thread is getting SO long that I am about to close it. If I don’t close this thread, it will take decades for this page to even load. Please move further discussion to the girl talk forums. Thanks. :)>-

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