Is Cheerleading A Thing of The Past?
I attended a local high school football game this past Friday and sat down a with a few neighbors to chat while we watched the game. (Ok I never really watched it - I don’t like football). About midway through the second quarter, my husband commented on how few cheerleaders we had. Granted, our school district is rather small, but there were only 5 girls on the squad. I looked across the field at the opposing team from a larger school (who were slaughtering us at the time) and they had about 16 girls lined up in front of the crowd.
Being relatively new to public school, I asked my neighbor (who works at the school) if it was normal for our team to only have 5 cheerleaders. She said they actually used to have a lot more members of the cheerleading squad back when girls sports were less popular. Now that sports have opened up girls teams for golf, volleyball, soccer and basketball, more girls are concentrating on sports than cheerleading. (This is the part where someone jumps in and says “cheerleading IS a sport!” - have fun with that.) She said it seems now that cheerleading is just an activity anyone can do if they want. They don’t even hold tryouts! Wow - that is so not the way things were when I was in high school. I knew girls who would kill for those coveted pom-poms. (Not me. I was too busy making the boys basketball team. 
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So is anyone else noticing this trend? Are girls choosing to play the game rather than cheer for it?
September 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Here is my 2 cents on the subject. I think cheerleading is a sport, especially if they have to do gymnastics too. But I would rather see a girl excel at basketball, softball or any other sport. Personally I think that some cheerleaders are prissy and that is how they are typically suppose to act. I like to see a girl that is tough, can hit a ball, shoot a ball, etc.. and can compete in a sport that does not require them to wear a skirt. It seems that cheerleading has as much to do with showing off their assets and it does with supporting their team or showing off their ability.
September 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Yes Gretchen, I do have a comment about this. And Yes, cheerleading has grown into a sport in its own right. Cheerleading is more physical and more active than it was decades ago. As with all sports, coaching plays a big role. The cheer coach can chose to sign their team up for competitions or to “just cheer on the sidelines.” How the team is categorized will also determine how many girls and what type of girls are interested in participating.
September 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
I knew you’d nail me on the “cheerleading IS a sport” comment.
But you know I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to be sarcastic about it. 
That is true, tho. It does depend on the coaching and what the intent of the group is. Thanks for posting.
By the way, are you still coaching cheerleading down in T-ville?
September 27th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
And this is where Kel comes in and raises her hand sheepishly to say…
“I was a cheerleader.” *cough*
In addition, I will say the following:” Since I don’t play sports, I have never viewed it as a sport.”
And yes, we had tryouts. But since I wasn’t one of the “popular” crowd, I think I stunned a few people by having the guts to try out and also because I made it…and I wasn’t the alternate, either.
The way I saw it, I was doing choreography and saying cheers, learning different moves…very much like show choir, which I joined the following year as I entered high school.
It’s a type of performance, in my opinion, and it is still valuable. They have amazing competitions that are televised, as well, and it takes a tremendous amount of skill to compete in something like that.
To sum it up, I think it takes talent, but it’s not a sport. I think there are just so many things for girls to do in school today that perhaps cheerleading doesn’t hold the appeal it once did. Nothing wrong with that.
September 27th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
Aw - dang it. I swear - every single one of my friends was a cheerleader at some point. Boy, can I pick ‘em.
September 27th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Apparently, you just need LOTS of encouragement.
*Gooooooo GRETCHEN!!*
Okay, that’s all I got right now, sorry.
September 27th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
I’m gonna need to hear that again…except in person and with the choreography.
September 27th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
Dream on.
October 1st, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Cheerleading was the IT thing to do in my high school too. This was before we had more than basketball & track for girls. I can see how the number of cheerleaders can drop with the addition of more competitive sports for girls.
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:28 pm
cheerleading like you have in america is only now really taking off in south africa, maybe thats where the interest is going?
October 7th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
wow every time i look around on this website i see nothing but judgmental, one-sided opinions of subjects that the people who are writing them clearly know nothing about. I was a varsity cheerleader all throughout high school. And if your squad doesn’t hold auditions, or (even if they did hold auditions) all you did was stand on the sidelines and say a few chants then the problem is not that cheerleading is not a sport. The problem is that ya’ll are just affiliated with a wack-ass cheerleading squad! On my squad if you didn’t know how to yell, be energetic, jump, do gymnastics, be flexible, and strong enough to do stunts…then you didnt make the squad!! Lol, and Ms.”I was too busy making the boys’ basketball team” if your basketball team even let a girl on the then they probably weren’t that good to begin with. The girls squad i cheered for was second in state and they still probably couldnt make the boys team. Not because the coaches were sexist or anything like that, but because once you get into the upper leagues of basketball males and females are just built too different to be competitive with each other unless the woman is in the WNBA or something and the male is not a professional.
October 7th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
“Lol, and Ms.”I was too busy making the boys™ basketball team” if your basketball team even let a girl on the then they probably weren™t that good to begin with.”
Okay, first of all, I’m pretty sure Gretchen was making a comment not to INSULT cheerleading, but to make the point that she has never BEEN a cheerleader, so she isn’t sure of the way things work. That was kind of the point of her WHOLE POST.
And for you to come on here and say “I see nothing but judgmental, one-sided opinions of subjects…” and then proceed to insult the author of a topic, appearing rather judgmental and quite harsh yourself, well…let me just say I’m pointing that out for a reason.
BTW, having an opinion means that you typically TAKE A SIDE or point of view.
October 7th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Thanks, Kel.
And by the way, I made the boys team because there was no girls team in the 6th grade. We won the regional tournament that year (the highest you could go for that age group) so I don’t think they “weren’t that good” because they let a girl play - two girls to be exact. Your statement is highly insulting to all females. 
October 7th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
whether or not she was “trying,” to insult cheerleaders does not mean that she didn’t do just that (I put that part in quotations because she later goes on to say quite sarcastically, “Aw - dang it. I swear - every single one of my friends was a cheerleader at some point. Boy, can I pick ˜em.
“) Which says that she was implying that there was something wrong with the fact that she had friends who were cheerleaders.
And you’re right I was mistaken. Lol, but in the SIXTH GRADE how many sports are actually anything other than organized children’s playtimes? For whatever reason I thought you were referring to high school or some time when sports are actually taken seriously by anyone other than the parents. And no, in high school a male team who has a girl probably isn’t that good. Males and females are just too different physically to be able to fairly compete in that type of sport in high school or college. There is absolutely nothing sexist or insulting to females about pointing out the obvious physical differences between us and people of other genders. Sexist would be saying that girls couldn’t play at all, which is clearly not what I was saying and you know it.
But yes, when someone CONTINUOUSLY says things that are insulting and judgmental in my opinion especially towards people in my demographic, then I will tend to be judgmental and harsh towards them.
And Kel, “BTW, having an opinion means that you typically TAKE A SIDE or point of view.”
No sh*t Sherlock! When did anyone on this entire blog say that anyone else didn’t have an opinion, side, or point of view?? Point that out to me, because I don’t see it. I said that the people who are so much against certain things on this site don’t really know anything about them. Including Kel who admits that besides the fact that they held auditions, her cheerleading squad was barely one at all.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Ok - I see. Personality clash. I get this a lot.
I am quite sarcastic, but as you can tell I have a lot of cheerleader friends. I may tease them and joke with them about being cheerleaders, but I do not insult them. It’s all in fun and they know it. You, being an outsider to my circle of cheerleader friends and being quite new to my blog may have taken offense to that. I apologize if you missed my inside humor.
I still disagree with your statements about sports. In the sixth grade, I don’t think that was “organized playtime”. Where I grew up, school sports were serious business. We trained hard, had set rules and faced consequences when we didn’t live up to them.
If you think I am mistaken, let me explain that I do know the difference between “organized playtime” and focused sports programs. I have two children in soccer leagues. My youngest is 8 and yes it is more of a fun time for her. They barely practice and aside from a few basic rules, it’s all about having fun. My 10 year old is in a different league. They are serious about practices and they have set schedules and warm ups. The coach is tougher and expects more out of them. They learn to be a team and the rules are very rigid. She is only in the 5th grade. I think by that age, it is a step or two beyond “playtime”. Of course they are not pros, but let’s give them some credit.
And I’m not sure what you mean about being “so much against certain things on this site…” So what if people have an opinion or see things differently? Isn’t that what makes life fun? I rather enjoy listening to other people’s insights whether I agree or not. Don’t you?
Discussion is fun and we all learn things in the process. At least I do.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:05 am
I accept your apology.
But even in sixth grade children are just beginning to physically develop through puberty, so whether they are training for school sports or the olympics the differences in boys and girls physically still does not make that big of a difference as it does in high school and college. Sixth graders can still realistically be able to compete with each other in that sport. Which, I still believe if you were in high school or college and had tried out for the boys team you would not have made it, unless the team was not that good. And IF for some strange reason you did, you would definitely be the anomaly and not the rule.
Maybe if you tried doing that you could learn even more in the discussion process.
And wow, this is the second time I am defending myself against something I didn’t say. But for the sake of discussion I will do it anyway. I’ll even type it in caps so maybe you all will understand, lol. But here goes…PEOPLE, I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS ANYONE ON HERE WHO DOESN’T HAVE AN OPINION OR POINT OR VIEW, OR THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING ONE. I simply said that you shouldn’t be judgmental just because you don’t agree with something. Don™t you?
October 8th, 2007 at 12:18 am
I just don’t see that having an opinion makes me judgmental.
Have I put anyone down for being a cheerleader (aside from the sarcasm with my personal friends)? What judgment have I cast here?
Also, my original post was designed merely to spark discussion on whether cheerleading was being overshadowed by the influx of sports for girls. I was just curious if this was a nationwide trend or just the unfortunate state of high school cheerleading in my area. Seems we have strayed a bit far from that topic.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:47 am
“wow every time i look around on this website i see nothing but judgmental, one-sided opinions of subjects that the people who are writing them clearly know nothing about.”
THIS is what I was referring to when I said that typically, people take sides of an opinion, since you referred to them as “one-sided opinions.”
Clearly, you also have a one-sided opinion on this subject, and the fact that you have already called others on this site (whom you do not know) “judgmental” and members of “wack-ass” (gee, now that’s a classy term) cheerleading squads shows me that you didn’t learn a thing about positivity while on your cheerleading squad.
You’ve picked a fight where there is none, came here with hostility and I’m kind of baffled by it.
Yes, Gretchen’s comments regarding her friends as cheerleaders were completely tongue-in-cheek (I DO know her, so I knew how to interpret them–as they were meant). I understand if you did not know how to interpret them.
However, your statement contains this quote: “everytime I look around this website…”. Yet your anger at Gretchen’s comments leads me to wonder if you actually have looked around this website much at all. IF you had, you would have seen the banter that goes on quite often between Gretchen and I, and others.
You would have also seen the typically respectful types of conversations that take place here, despite a difference of opinions. Statements such as “wack-ass” and “no sh*t Sherlock” probably aren’t beneficial to anyone and only show that you are trying to belittle others rather than have an adult conversation.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Ok, here is my opinion. People will defend their believes no matter what. Some people’s identity is based in the fact of what they are or what they where in High School or College. Is cheerleading a sport? I Believe that was the question? My opinion? Not if they have to wear a skirt, it is more like dancing and signing. Does it provide exercise? yes!! Do you need to be strong, yes. But I would rather see a girl put on a helmet and race a bike, then put on some skimmy outfit and jump around and yell while supporting a basketball team, football team, etc… So who cheers for and supports the cheerleaders in their sport?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
the conversations on the two posts ive commented on on this site have not been respectful at all. They have been judgmental and one sided (which, since you act like you dont know, occurs when you make a whole post about a subject you clearly know nothing about. It causes you to be unable to ever see the other persons point of view. As a result, you cant even see or understand when you are being offensive, or ignoring or misrepresenting facts). Lol, and just because other people in the past have not been offended by certain things said does not mean that i shouldn’t be. It means that the person saying them shouldn’t in the future. But since you all cant understand that, i will continue to use as much “classy” language that I like, lol. But for some reason I think you know that Kel. I think you’re just mad cuz i said you were on a wack-ass squad, lol. But then again, any squad that even the people on it admit that all they did was stand on the sidelines probably was a wack-ass squad, lol. Doesn’t that make sense? No sh*t Sherlock, it does!
Thanks Lissa!
Now i know what the requirements are to being considered a sport, cool! It depends on how much coverage the uniforms offer. Thats amazing! So now I know that volleyball is not a sport either. Seeing as how they wear teeny-tiny little short, booty-hugging shorts (which, by the way are usually made of nylon with the same fit and material as the girls from hooters wear…minus the pantyhose that the hooters girls are required to wear of course). And if it’s not the shorts it’s even less coverage in a bikini on the beach.
I guess women who run track (often in tiny spandex shorts and sports bras) aren’t doing a sport either unless their midriffs and legs are covered? And what about roller derby, which is considered an extreme sport? The women who play that sport often skate in skirts and sports bras that are very similar to what many cheerleaders cheer in. But I guess they aren’t playing a sport either unless they have more clothes on.
….Interesting, lol.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
And by the way, many competitive cheerleaders don’t even have a team to cheer for like many football and basketball cheerleaders do. I had a team to cheer for, but even if I didn’t I would have done so anyways for the love of the SPORT.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
“just because other people in the past have not been offended by certain things said does not mean that i shouldn™t be. It means that the person saying them shouldn™t in the future.”
No, that usually means that you are choosing to become offended.
And I do believe in freedom of speech. It sounds like you don’t.
“But since you all cant understand that, i will continue to use as much “classy” language that I like, lol. But for some reason I think you know that Kel. I think you™re just mad cuz i said you were on a wack-ass squad, lol. But then again, any squad that even the people on it admit that all they did was stand on the sidelines probably was a wack-ass squad, lol. Doesn™t that make sense? No sh*t Sherlock, it does!”
I actually wasn’t aware that you were telling me, personally, that you believe I was on a “wack-ass” squad. How would you know? I was in the eighth grade, for heaven’s sake, not on a college squad. Of course we just stood on the sidelines. That’s what you do in EIGHTH GRADE.
So far you’ve demeaned and insulted others on this site, which hasn’t really helped your position at all. It’s not just WHAT you say, it’s HOW you say it. And I’m sure I know what your response to that will be…lemme guess… “No sh*t Sherlock”?
Which will show your true character once again.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Lol my true character has nothing to do with random internet posts but thanks for caring so much
. And whether or not you feel demeaned has nothing to do with my position. But thank you again for proving my original point. If you were in the eighth grade people don’t generally take their sports as seriously as they would in high school or college, so that is not a good example of a serious squad.
Consider this: if someone who grew up in a household where the father went to work and the mother stayed and cleaned the house all day. Then that person met a working woman and said to her, “you dont need to work, your place is to stay at home and clean the house.” That person may even have said it to some other working women who didn’t get offended. Now, I realize this doesn’t mean that person was trying to offend the woman. it means they are voicing their freedom of speech. But does that mean the woman shouldn’t be offended? Maybe you think it means that person was choosing to be offended. Maybe you also think that if you are offended by something someone else says you don’t believe in free speech.
So I will say WHAT i want, HOW I want to say it. Choosing to use my freedom of speech, got it? Great! Lol. And since people say things that offend me on this site don’t be surprised that I would do the same.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
“So I will say WHAT i want, HOW I want to say it. Choosing to use my freedom of speech, got it? Great! Lol. And since people say things that offend me on this site don™t be surprised that I would do the same.”
It’s not what you’re saying that is troubling here, imani. It’s the disrespectful tone in which you’re saying it.
And I agree with you about freedom of speech. However, I don’t think that anyone needs to change their position in order to satisfy someone else. You have every right to your opinion and position on this issue. And I don’t feel the least bit demeaned. However, it IS clear to me that your intent is to demean and belittle those who may not share your point of view.
I just believe that there is a better way to discuss this issue instead of with namecalling and rudeness.
I believe you’ve made your point on this issue crystal clear, and also let us know that anyone who disagrees with you is offensive.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Lol thank you for agreeing with me. I wish everyone would do the same on that because I’m right (whether you agree with the way I said it or not).
For the record though, my intent upon joining these discussions was not to belittle or demean people. Before the discussion started there may have been a better way. But when people say things that offend me I will generally go out of my way to do the same, and afterwards have no qualms about doing so.
I also don’t recall calling anyone names, but whatever.
How would you feel if there was a sport you loved and felt strongly about when you did it. And then there are random people who don’t know the first thing about it except something they did in the eighth grade, saying its not a sport just because they dont think it’s a sport? Or because of the uniform, or whatever other random, quasi-reasons you all can pull out of the air? And then actually telling me how I should react to this?
My point is, of course people who disagree with me on this issue are going to offend me! That doesn’t mean that “anyone who disagree’s with me is offensive.”
But on this particular issue, yes thats how it works.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
One more thing i forgot to address in my earlier comment.
Lissa it’s interesting that you all of a sudden feel cheerleading is not a sport just because of the uniform, but yet in your original post you made on September 26th, 2007 2:16 pm you said
“Here is my 2 cents on the subject. I think cheerleading is a sport, especially if they have to do gymnastics too.”
October 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Okay, to you I am a “random” person. Whatever that means. And I do know some things about it. I believe my comment in my first post was this:
“It™s a type of performance, in my opinion, and it is still valuable. They have amazing competitions that are televised, as well, and it takes a tremendous amount of skill to compete in something like that.”
I don’t think it’s a sport, but I never said it wasn’t valuable or something that required a great amount of skill.
I am perfectly fine when people disagree with me, but calling names like “Sherlock” (when you know that using the term “Sherlock” in that manner IS, in face, considered an insult) is just not conducive to any sort of discussion.
You’ve also said, “if your basketball team even let a girl on the then they probably weren™t that good to begin with.” And also, “I™ll even type it in caps so maybe you all will understand, lol.” And the “wack-ass” term I’ve already mentioned. And your ENTIRE biting response to Lissa…I mean, you might as well just come out and call everyone who disagrees with you “stupid,” because the way you are responding to people here implies that you think those things about them. And that’s fine if you think that, but I don’t see how the harshness of your posts is helping anything here.
It doesn’t really matter what I say, though…you will continue to argue and post derogatory things with your little “lol” after them, as if that makes it okay. But it doesn’t. I hope you’re a kinder person in reality than you are online. I’m done here.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
LOL Im glad you’re done. I never said you didnt think cheerleading was valuable or required skill. But the fact that you don’t think its a sport is stupid to me! And I DO think everyone who disagrees with me on this issue is being stupid! I never, ever tried to hide that! And I will talk to whoever it is the same way stupid people need to hear things to get through to them.
lol i hope you don’t actually think I’m trying to appeal to you by putting “lol” in my posts. I could really care less what you think is okay. Its just something i type when i think something is funny. The harshness of my posts is not helping? Lol thats hilarious. We’re not saving the starving children in Africa or curing AIDS people. Whether i say everything like i do, or sugarcoat them so much we all get diabetes, does it really matter? Lol, no it does not.
But as far as me being a kinder person in real life? As i said before, thank you for caring so much about my “true character” but I assure you its really none of your concern, and at the end of the day I will never be measured by random internet posts. lol.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:14 am
Imani, you will be measured by your posts on this site. Why? Because that’s all we know about you. And I happen to believe that you can’t be someone else on the Internet. You are who you are and you can’t fake it. Yes, people can change, but what you see is what you get.
As for this thread, you have entirely missed the point. We were discussing whether cheerleading has been taking a back seat to women’s sports, not whether anyone else was on a “wack-ass” squad or not. And as to the way they dress. Modesty is always appropriate. Roller derby racers and runners DO NOT have to dress that way for their sport. They CHOOSE to wear those outfits. You can wear a snugly fitting uniform and still be modest.
You can call me “stupid” if you choose. I assure you I am not. And neither is Kel. And neither is Lissa.
October 13th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Lol measure away then!
Lets see how much of an impact your “measuring” will have on my life… on to something i actually care about…
YOU have entirely missed MY point. Cheerleading is not taking a back seat to womens sports because it IS a womens sport. Roller derby racers and runners DO have to dress that way IF it’s a part of their uniform just like cheerleaders do have to dress that way IF it is a part of their uniform. Some cheerleading uniforms are more modest than others. A friend of mine who cheered for a christian school, her uniform was a long sleeved top and shorts.
Modesty is always appropriate?….okay i dont know what planet you live on. But there is NO style of dress that is ALWAYS appropriate for every situation. That is why there are so many options for style of dress.
Assure away, but from what i see I beg to differ.
October 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Ok, here is what wikipedia (most certainly not the expert on the topic, but another point of view) says about a sport. And yes, Wikipedia also list cheerleading as a sport.
Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors. While researching if cheerleading is a sport or not (I’ll admit that I will take all the information and admit if I am wrong or if I have more information that will change my point of view, is that not what learning is about?) So enough about this topic, we can all agree to disagree on this. Back to the original thread, I believe that girls have more choices when it comes to sports and I believe that they are choosing other sports because of these options. My niece has been doing gymnastics for 8 years, she would rather be on the high school swimming team or tennis team, then to be a cheerleader. I think that is interesting due to the fact that she would probably make the team. I still love my BMX’ers and hope more girls push the envelope with sports and compete in the sports that they love and that push them physically and mentally.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:03 am
i agree. I am also glad that your niece did not decide to try out for cheerleading because if she didn’t really want it then she may have taken the place of someone who did. I strongly advocate doing all extracurricular activities because you really want to do it. Not because you just happen to be good at it.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Cheerleading??? a prissy sport???
I don’t think so
November 7th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
damn, my picture didn’t show up…but look up a bow and arrow!!!
January 15th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Why not call them Cheerleading Dance Squads, since thats what they are, and a background in dance definitely is a plus. They should be able to attract more boys that way as well. Male cheerleaders or variants thereof are common at the collegiate level, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be so at highschool & below.
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 am
hello im tirteen years old i have some thing to say about this i am looking for a sqaud to join in derby but cant find one i think most girls want this only we dont do anoguth im quite grown p about things like this is say dont give up i wishi could join your sqaud and help
leah age 13 form derby alvaston
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 am
sorry i forgot to add im from englad and to even find a cheer team over here you have to look for about a week just to find one and you think u have it hard
July 24th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Okay, going back to the original post. I think that cheerleading has not taken a back seat to other womens sports. In my hometown, it is super hard to get on the squad. The only reason it was easy for me (a girl that had never cheered before and only danced for 1 year) was because many girls in my grade were discouraged because they had tried out previously and didn’t make it with mass numbers. Also, my squad’s uniform is not in the least skimpy. We have skirts that come up to our natural waist line with underarmor like top that goes on first and covers everything with another shirt on top that has our logo. We also switched from traditional brief spankies to boyshort so that they covered more. I think also that cheerleading is both a sport and not a sport depending on the type you do. I am just on my squads sideline division. That is not a sport if yo ask me because you aare a support system for the sport in question, BUT if you are on a competitive squad, then you are in a sport because you are competing. Lastly, someone said that cheering is mostly dancing and singiing…but actually I would like to clarify that if you sing your words, it is harder for the squad to get their message across tot he crowds so singing is not something cheerleaders do whilst cheering.
Back to the main point though, cheerleading is not taking a back seat to other women’s sports, at least in my town. The freshman squad has 11 and the other has over 20. Thanks!!
November 27th, 2008 at 5:25 am
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